Regularity Rallying?

[ian2144]

Interested in getting involved in regularity rallying rather than the full on historic stage stuff.

Do I still need a fully prepared rally car for this or can it be done with a lightly modified road car ?

[DelicaL400]

Lightly modified road cars are fine.

Have you considered targa rallying? These have a regularity element but also tests. There's a thread in UK Club Motorsport on road rallying/targas:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[velocemitch]

Probably better on the clubman motorsport area.
Regularity Rallying is pretty much limited to Historics in this country, rarely are proper regularity events open to moderns. Though I fully appreciate some night road rallies Have regularity sections, these tend to be just a tad fiddled to prevent them being cleaned.
If it’s Historics you are interested in I could talk for hours about it..... ?? HRCR and HERO are the two most common types of historic event in the UK, the former usually daylight single day, the latter some of that, plus multi day long distance events.
Targa Rallying as mentioned earlier isn’t normally associated with regularity, although there are a handful of events which include them.
Have a browse around in the club motorsport forum there are a number of thread to read.

[ian2144]

Thanks for your input Guys.
Looking at going back to having a classic, obviously the mk1 & 2 Escorts are now silly money, so will probably go the Avenger/Sunbeam route something that’s all ready restored.
It would be good to get involved in something more active rather than sitting in a field full of static classic cars.

[velocemitch]

ian2144 said:

Thanks for your input Guys.
Looking at going back to having a classic, obviously the mk1 & 2 Escorts are now silly money, so will probably go the Avenger/Sunbeam route something that’s all ready restored.
It would be good to get involved in something more active rather than sitting in a field full of static classic cars.

Yep I feel the same about classics, bought my first in 2004, then discovered historic rallying in 2006 never looked back. Much better being a punisher polisher.
If you need any specific advise, just ask.

[thepawbroon]

ian2144 said:

Thanks for your input Guys.
Looking at going back to having a classic, obviously the mk1 & 2 Escorts are now silly money, so will probably go the Avenger/Sunbeam route something that’s all ready restored.
It would be good to get involved in something more active rather than sitting in a field full of static classic cars.

Hi,

I see you're in Aberdeenshire - I think the best place for you to start might be contacting Saltire Rally Club (Perthshire). They run the annual Saltire Classic Rally (November) which is tests & regularities for classic and modern (to Targa rally rules). They also are co-organisers of the Mull Classic Rally (March) which is very similar. Also half in Scotland is the Berwick Classic (May).

I'm not aware of any other clubs organising regularity events in Scotland, occasionally one of the rounds of the Scottish Navigational Rally series will have a regularity or two - these are night events. Some of the clubs in the north-east have looked into it, I think 63CC (Elgin) announced an event for 2020 but COVID put paid to it.

cheers,
Duncan

[thepawbroon]

Wee video of the 2017 Saltire on some of the tests.

https://www.facebook.com/1516264538622764/videos/1...

[ian2144]

Thanks again for the info guys.
Some head scratching and thinking to do over the Christmas period .

[velocemitch]

Both the Saltire and the Berwick are excellent events, but unfortunately in Scotland that’s just about it for regularity events. And in fairness both Saltire and Berwick are primarily Test events, in common with the rest of the NESCRO series.

The vast majority of events where regularity is a principle deciding factor are held in England and even then generally Yorkshire southwards.

It’s a fair trek from Aberdeenshire I’m afraid.

[RONV]

this my car built for regularity events I have not used for a few years as my wife does not like the noise of the SCCR gearbox

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[ian2144]

That’s one tidy looking A40.

[CostaBrava1972]

Is this the 'Unpopular Opinions' thread? Because if it is, I just wanted to say how utterly boring 'Regularity' events are. Really, they are.... unless you're an accountant, I suppose.

Please advise - just what exactly is the point? And why would such an extended mathematical exercise ever require either a roll cage or full harness?

Only asking for a friend but, yes, I'll get my hat......

[velocemitch]

CostaBrava1972 said:

Is this the 'Unpopular Opinions' thread? Because if it is, I just wanted to say how utterly boring 'Regularity' events are. Really, they are.... unless you're an accountant, I suppose.

Please advise - just what exactly is the point? And why would such an extended mathematical exercise ever require either a roll cage or full harness?

Only asking for a friend but, yes, I'll get my hat......

And your experience is?

When organised properly they are not boring, anything but. On a daylight Public road section the speeds are kept deliberately low, this is clearly necessary for the safety of all concerned, including the public. From a drivers perspective this can look a bit boring ( and some think it is) but if it is designed right with lots of changes in speeds, junctions etc it is still quite challenging. But usually this is only one element of an event. Alongside that you have the special test, these sometimes are a bit Autotesty but can also be like short special stages, either way they are flat out and certainly not boring.
On top of that on the better events there are off road regularities or time control sections. These usually occur on a large area of military land, Catterick, Caerwent, Warcop etc. And are often about half an hour of very tricky and very challenging, frequently in the dark and usually done flat out. Certainly not boring!.

As for the safety gear, when I started out in my car years ago I too thought there wouldn’t be much point. Then I found myself doing 60mph down a forest track with ditches and those very hard lumps of wood each side... in the dark. After that I fitted a cage.

[RONV]

in all motor sport the fastest drivers are always on the side lines and some of them just talk a fast event, not everyone can do WRC events which is quite boring

Edited by RONV on Wednesday 25th November 10:47

[CostaBrava1972]

Thanks for that, a useful review.

My own experience?

Back in the day, started out with the old style, full-on night-time road rallies, held on public roads. Then common sense dawned and graduated to forest & tarmac special stage events. Covering Wales, N.Yorkshire, Northumberland, the Lakes (including Warcop) and the Scottish Borders. Plus a few of the early Lombard Revivals, my first introduction to Catterick & Caerwent. We definitely needed a cage and harnesses on those........

Though I've never done a Regularity.

[velocemitch]

CostaBrava1972 said:

Thanks for that, a useful review.

My own experience?

Back in the day, started out with the old style, full-on night-time road rallies, held on public roads. Then common sense dawned and graduated to forest & tarmac special stage events. Covering Wales, N.Yorkshire, Northumberland, the Lakes (including Warcop) and the Scottish Borders. Plus a few of the early Lombard Revivals, my first introduction to Catterick & Caerwent. We definitely needed a cage and harnesses on those........

Though I've never done a Regularity.

The Lombards had the advantage of being able to time the tests at an average of 40, where as Historics (and Targa) are stuck at an average of 30, but they do compensate for this by various means, Code Boards, Stop boxes (Ie held for ten seconds stationary) and tight chicanes.
The last Historic I managed to do this year had tests and regularities in Caerwent, We did three long tests one after the other, with just a hundred yard link between them, each took us getting on for fifteen minutes to do. My driver (who had done Caerwent on stage events) said he'd never felt as knackered in a car. It was way more intense than a stage to drive, even if the speeds were not as high. As a navigator I felt pretty punch drunk too having called what must have been a couple of hundred junctions.

[velocemitch]

thepawbroon said:

Wee video of the 2017 Saltire on some of the tests.

https://www.facebook.com/1516264538622764/videos/1...

Ross and Andy B are always a pleasure to watch.
What Andy can do in that Rapier is astonishing, Sat with him on The Stocktonian in Catterick a couple of years back. Easily the quickest guy I've been with. Andrew Fish used to navigate for me when we first started in 06, he would breeze the regularities on the Saltire.