Is this guy for real!!???
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What planet is Schuey on and who the heck does he think he is!?
I can't even count the number of times he's had an "unfortunate" accident for his own benefit.
Sato should have slapped him with his steering wheel. Maybe that would have put some sense in the desperate man. He's no longer the "Star", as Ross Brawn titled him at the beginning of the year.
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34030
I can't even count the number of times he's had an "unfortunate" accident for his own benefit.
Sato should have slapped him with his steering wheel. Maybe that would have put some sense in the desperate man. He's no longer the "Star", as Ross Brawn titled him at the beginning of the year.
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34030
I think that Schumacher is still up there with the best, it would be interesting to see him with a first rate team mate to compare performance. I rated Barrichello highly prior to his Ferrari drive, but he has been comprehensively and consistently outperformed by MS. It will be very interesting to see how RB performs next year against Button(?)
As for the accident, 100% Sato's fault, the Montoya/Pizzonia one was more interesting but the cameras missed it.
As for the accident, 100% Sato's fault, the Montoya/Pizzonia one was more interesting but the cameras missed it.
Without the benefit of a replay, I certainly appeared to me that the Kraut struck (however lightly) Sato after confronting him. If that was indeed the case, and since it appears that no punishment was applied, the FIA have endorsed this course of action in future if another driver feels agrieved by the actions of a fellow competitor. Since it is acceptable at the top level of the sport, we can expect to see similar behaviour in lower formulae. Maybe this is Oswald jr's way of spicing up the "show".
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beanbag said:
What planet is Schuey on and who the heck does he think he is!?
I can't even count the number of times he's had an "unfortunate" accident for his own benefit.
Sato should have slapped him with his steering wheel. Maybe that would have put some sense in the desperate man. He's no longer the "Star", as Ross Brawn titled him at the beginning of the year.
www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34030
dont really understand your point as Sato accepted it was his fault and the track surface caught him out. thus schumacher was taken out by Sato....... i dont recall Scumacher ever calling himself a "star" and i gave up listening to Ross Brawne back in 2001 or thereabouts. I dont think Schumacher is a desperate man, i think he has been beaten fairly and squarely this season and accepted the loss of the championship with grace. Sato can start attacking Schumacher when Sato has proved he can actually do something in an F1 car and is not at BAR purely to keep Honda's MD happy.
Number 7 said:
Without the benefit of a replay, I certainly appeared to me that the Kraut struck (however lightly) Sato after confronting him. If that was indeed the case, and since it appears that no punishment was applied, the FIA have endorsed this course of action in future if another driver feels agrieved by the actions of a fellow competitor. Since it is acceptable at the top level of the sport, we can expect to see similar behaviour in lower formulae. Maybe this is Oswald jr's way of spicing up the "show".
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I think the light tap that Michael gave Sato was similar to a 'stupid boy' Pike that Captain Mainwaring would have done
The way schumacher treated sato after the crash was so disrespectful it would of drove me to punt him out of the track. I can see if he was pissed because the points would have mattered, had he been defending the chamionship this year; but the "tap" was unnecessary. To be honest that is racing schumacher has been doing it his whole life almost, and there is going to be contact at one point or another.
pablo said:
What planet is Schuey on and who the heck does he think he is!?
I can't even count the number of times he's had an "unfortunate" accident for his own benefit.
Sato should have slapped him with his steering wheel. Maybe that would have put some sense in the desperate man. He's no longer the "Star", as Ross Brawn titled him at the beginning of the year.
www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34030
dont really understand your point as Sato accepted it was his fault and the track surface caught him out. thus schumacher was taken out by Sato....... i dont recall Scumacher ever calling himself a "star" and i gave up listening to Ross Brawne back in 2001 or thereabouts. I dont think Schumacher is a desperate man, i think he has been beaten fairly and squarely this season and accepted the loss of the championship with grace. Sato can start attacking Schumacher when Sato has proved he can actually do something in an F1 car and is not at BAR purely to keep Honda's MD happy.
My point being is Schumachers very unsportsmanship behaviour. He's made mistakes before and deliberate ones too. So does Sato, and every other driver on the track. It's part of the race.
Regardless of who was to blame, there was no need to whack Sato's visor shut.
He's lucky it was just Sato as I bet JPM or DC would have been on the rebound.
Remember all the old 'characters' that everybody round here likes to talk about? Well I seem to remember more than one case where the likes of Senna, Mansell etc. had a punch-or-two to settle an argument after the race.
You can't have it all ways...
I can't believe I've just defended that obnoxious Krout
You can't have it all ways...
I can't believe I've just defended that obnoxious Krout
completely agree it was a racing incident with more incidents likely to happen in the wet. The ten places back seems unreasonable. Would the punnishment of been the same if he had taken say Doombos and not Schuey.
And if they are going to punish for that type of incident why wasn't shuey given the same punishment when he took webber out a few races ago - as that in my opinion was also a racing incident.
If i was Sato i'd be glad i shunted shuey off rather than any other driver.
And if they are going to punish for that type of incident why wasn't shuey given the same punishment when he took webber out a few races ago - as that in my opinion was also a racing incident.
If i was Sato i'd be glad i shunted shuey off rather than any other driver.
maclf01 said:There is a difference, however - when Schumacher has hit someone and taken him out of the race, it has usually been done intentionally.
To be honest that is racing schumacher has been doing it his whole life almost, and there is going to be contact at one point or another.
beanbag said:
condor said:
Sato gets a 10 grid loss penalty at Interlagos - I think he should have been fined as well !!
Unlucky for Michael to be taken out when he was doing so well.
Well??? 10th place!!?? That's not even in the points!
Sorry - Just read the comment!!!
Lapping faster than anyone else at the time though. [pedant]and it is the last points paying position[/pedant]
>> Edited by rustybin on Monday 12th September 11:32
rustybin said:
condor said:
Sato gets a 10 grid loss penalty at Interlagos - I think he should have been fined as well !!
Unlucky for Michael to be taken out when he was doing so well.
Well??? 10th place!!?? That's not even in the points!
Sorry - Just read the comment!!!
Lapping faster than anyone else at the time though. [pedant]and it is the last points paying position[/pedant]
>> Edited by rustybin on Monday 12th September 11:32
OK, well maybe i was wrong about the points bit but he wasn't exactly pulling out stunning laptimes....still.....i don't like the chap so tough titties to him.
It's worth remembering that whilst currently in his worst season for nine years Schumacher is still third in the Drivers chamionship and Ferrari are still third in the constructors. Positions they would preumably like to retain. Hardly a spent force.
I do feel a bit sorry for the bloke. Whatever he does he is damned. If he shrugs his shoulders and says 'ach vell it voz a racing aczident' everyone thinks he's lost interest and is too arrogant to care unless he is challenging for the championship or is a 'bloody robot'. If he gets a bit wound up he gets 'who does he think he is, arrogant git'. He probably thinks he's the reigning seven time world champion.
True to say Michael has not been averse to the occasional 'creative' accident but that is hardly uncommon in champions. What he has done rather less often is punted someone up the back side so that both cars are eliminated when he could gain nothing from the pass or the accident.
Granted he should not have wally tapped Sato and perhaps suggesting he required therapy was a little strong but it's not exactly in the league of Senna grabbing Irvine by the throat merely for unlapping himself. But then of course Senna was a washed up, cheating, talentless, automoton old has been by that time as well wasn't he?
ETS I probably wouldn't want to go for a pint with him either but that's not quite my point.
>> Edited by rustybin on Monday 12th September 11:58
>> Edited by rustybin on Monday 12th September 11:58
I do feel a bit sorry for the bloke. Whatever he does he is damned. If he shrugs his shoulders and says 'ach vell it voz a racing aczident' everyone thinks he's lost interest and is too arrogant to care unless he is challenging for the championship or is a 'bloody robot'. If he gets a bit wound up he gets 'who does he think he is, arrogant git'. He probably thinks he's the reigning seven time world champion.
True to say Michael has not been averse to the occasional 'creative' accident but that is hardly uncommon in champions. What he has done rather less often is punted someone up the back side so that both cars are eliminated when he could gain nothing from the pass or the accident.
Granted he should not have wally tapped Sato and perhaps suggesting he required therapy was a little strong but it's not exactly in the league of Senna grabbing Irvine by the throat merely for unlapping himself. But then of course Senna was a washed up, cheating, talentless, automoton old has been by that time as well wasn't he?
ETS I probably wouldn't want to go for a pint with him either but that's not quite my point.
>> Edited by rustybin on Monday 12th September 11:58
>> Edited by rustybin on Monday 12th September 11:58
rustybin said:
It's worth remembering that whilst currently in his worst season for nine years Schumacher is still third in the Drivers chamionship and Ferrari are still third in the constructors. Positions they would preumably like to retain. Hardly a spent force.
Remember to take away 10 of those points for the 6 car race. Thats how well he's "actually" driven this season.
Munter said:
It's worth remembering that whilst currently in his worst season for nine years Schumacher is still third in the Drivers chamionship and Ferrari are still third in the constructors. Positions they would preumably like to retain. Hardly a spent force.
Remember to take away 10 of those points for the 6 car race. Thats how well he's "actually" driven this season.
10 off puts him fourth. Though you could argue the others would have scored more as well at Indy pushing him further down but hell 'You've got to be in it to win it', 'To finish first, first you have to finish' and if Sato hadn't punted him off he may have got some more yesterday etc. etc.
Barichello is in eigth place, 24 points behind (55% of MS' haul). Arguably that is how well Schumacher has driven?
Correcting for Indy makes MS and F's positions even worse than that.
If you except the Indy results, MS has scored 45 points, Montoya 50, Trulli 43 and Fisichella 41. It is somewhere between conceivable and likely that if there had been a proper race at Indy Mikey would be lying sixth in the championship today.
In the Constructors', put aside Indy and Ferrari have scored 72 against Toyota's 80 and Williams's 59. Again, if Indy had been proper race F today would surely be no higher than fourth in the Constructors' Championship.
If you except the Indy results, MS has scored 45 points, Montoya 50, Trulli 43 and Fisichella 41. It is somewhere between conceivable and likely that if there had been a proper race at Indy Mikey would be lying sixth in the championship today.
In the Constructors', put aside Indy and Ferrari have scored 72 against Toyota's 80 and Williams's 59. Again, if Indy had been proper race F today would surely be no higher than fourth in the Constructors' Championship.
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