This afternoon
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I was reminded why I now actively follow motorcycle racing and no longer Formula one.
I lost count of how many overtaking manouvers there were in MotoGp. Comentary was informative, not over the top and not by one guy who is thee authority in being a really annoying b45tard.
I fell asleep during the F1. Fancied a nap anyway.
I lost count of how many overtaking manouvers there were in MotoGp. Comentary was informative, not over the top and not by one guy who is thee authority in being a really annoying b45tard.
I fell asleep during the F1. Fancied a nap anyway.
Pulsatingstar said:
Moto GP wasnt live though which spoils it a bit, as I already knew the result. Thats my fault, but if I know its happened I cant not look up the result I need to know.
I think it was live when I watched it at 8am this morning wasn't it?? If it wasn't it was certainly "re-live"
Pulsatingstar said:
Was it on at 8 then.
I didnt see it in the listings so watched it this afternoon. This is BBC not sky, I dont have that.
It was on Eurosport at 8am which I'm pretty sure was live. Valentino was awsome - his after chequered flag celebrations had me in fits - could you see that happening at an F1 race? For a start the drawfs would never be allowed....
this is something ive been thinking about alot. overtaking isnt the be all end all of racing. its alot harder in F1 to over take than on bikes and other tin top racing series as the cars are open wheel so are more delicate. you can exchange paint in touring cars for an entire race and finish, in F1, you're likely to not finish.
and the fact that the top cars are all lapping within a few tenths of each other at the very limit, kinda makes its even harder. how can you effectivly overtake someone whos lapping at the same pace as you?
and the fact that the top cars are all lapping within a few tenths of each other at the very limit, kinda makes its even harder. how can you effectivly overtake someone whos lapping at the same pace as you?
Saxo - I think you're entirely right about the differences in racing with regard to overtaking. I think the points that have been made in this thread aren't about that - they are much more about the "show" that is put on at the track for the TV audience and how the broadcasters get the "show" across to the punters sat at home.
Tenths have been de rigeur in F1 for years. Has F1 been this crap for years.
I think not.
F1 is a shadow of its former self.
It has gone steadily downhill since the darkest weekend in F1. Senna/Ratzenberger.
I have followed F1 long enough to see this as a fact.
It is, what F1 used to be a decade ago but diluted 10 fold.
I think not.
F1 is a shadow of its former self.
It has gone steadily downhill since the darkest weekend in F1. Senna/Ratzenberger.
I have followed F1 long enough to see this as a fact.
It is, what F1 used to be a decade ago but diluted 10 fold.
saxo-stew said:
...how can you effectivly overtake someone whos lapping at the same pace as you?
This is where F1 hs been going wrong for many years. The simple answer is - you can't (unless you are a significantly better driver).
In reality, most drivers are fairly equal, and due to the ever stricter rules, so are the cars. Overtaking is never going to be easy in this situation.
As I have said many times before, F1 was much more interesting when each car was different. V8, V6 turbo, V12, V16, H16, 4 wheels, 6 wheels (2 at front), 6 wheels (2 at back). These differences may have meant that over the course of a season 2 or 3 teams were superior, but it meant that no car was ever dominant at every circuit - it was physically impossible. A heavy V12 was never going to beat a nimble V6 turbo around Monaco - but at Monza?
The FIA need to think harder about why people watch motorsport. Most people watch it because they are interested in cars, fast cars. The drivers are secondary - unless they have real charisma. At the moment we have boring cars and boring drivers. There really is no show to watch IMHO.
I think ravalries play a large part in the spectacle. Ever since Damon Hill retired, there has been no real ravalry. Senna-Prost, Hill-Schumacher, etc. They all go to livening it up. We don't have that now, and we have, instead, these little robots that drive around, and say nothing but nice things, and all 'get along'. I don't think we have somebody that passionate to shout for anymore, so we just watch the race, and thats it... Thats what I think anyway! 
[quote=saxo-stew]this is something ive been thinking about alot. overtaking isnt the be all end all of racing. its alot harder in F1 to over take than on bikes and other tin top racing series as the cars are open wheel so are more delicate. you can exchange paint in touring cars for an entire race and finish, in F1, you're likely to not finish. [quote]
Errr.... I think you'll find that if you swap paint in MotoGPs, not only are you likely to not finish, you're likely to end up in hospital!
Compared to GP riders, F1 drivers are a bunch of whining pansies.
PS. Oh and as far as being interesting to the spectator, I think that overtaking IS the be all and end all of racing. That's speaking as a racer!
Errr.... I think you'll find that if you swap paint in MotoGPs, not only are you likely to not finish, you're likely to end up in hospital!
Compared to GP riders, F1 drivers are a bunch of whining pansies.
PS. Oh and as far as being interesting to the spectator, I think that overtaking IS the be all and end all of racing. That's speaking as a racer!
stig said:Nail... head...
...I think that overtaking IS the be all and end all of racing...
The reason some people like BTCC (for example) is that cars overtake - perhaps "robustly", but they do - the same can be said of bike races and most single-make series. If people were not able to overtake you wouldn't get the paint-rubbing.
F1s major problem is that the air behind each car is so dirty that it can slow the chasing car by over a second per lap. In the past F1 cars could slip-stream just like trucks can. Aerodynamic development has stopped all that.
Additionally - in common with all open wheel racing - any contact is likely to be catastrophic (in terms of race position) for both parties so no-one is prepared to push the envelope that little bit extra.
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