In Remembrance
Discussion
lord summerisle said:
racefan_uk said:
And do they have to have been killed while at the wheel of a racing car?
Otherwise:
Jim Clark
Otherwise:
Jim Clark
Jim was piloting a F2 car at the time...
So add in Mike Hawthorn
So, when did an F2 car not become a racing car... I didn't specify F1, Graham Hill died in a plane crash. I wondered whether we were meant to name specifically drivers that lost their lives while racing, or just drivers?
Without wishing to get totally flamed here but one thing that is missing these days is the old fashioned danger.
Whilst death is not to celebrate I do think that it provided a healthy turnover of drivers - after all drivers would be happy to run at the front for a few years then retire early when they knew their best times were over. Happy to get out while they still could.
Whilst death is not to celebrate I do think that it provided a healthy turnover of drivers - after all drivers would be happy to run at the front for a few years then retire early when they knew their best times were over. Happy to get out while they still could.
P490KVP said:
Without wishing to get totally flamed here but one thing that is missing these days is the old fashioned danger.
Whilst death is not to celebrate I do think that it provided a healthy turnover of drivers - after all drivers would be happy to run at the front for a few years then retire early when they knew their best times were over. Happy to get out while they still could.
Whilst death is not to celebrate I do think that it provided a healthy turnover of drivers - after all drivers would be happy to run at the front for a few years then retire early when they knew their best times were over. Happy to get out while they still could.
Fetch your tin hat Phil. Someone is bound to get all "health and safety".
Atlas F1 run an ongoing thread on driver fatalities which is constantly being updated.
This year we had two Antipodeans (in the last few weeks), the legendary Peter Brock and V8 driver, Mark Porter
Other F1 or Grand Prix/Sports Car drivers include -
Carlos Pace
Luigi Musso
Lorenzo Bandini
Pedro Rodriguez
Joel Gartner
Manfred Winkelhock
Alberto Ascari
Giuseppi Farina
Peter Collins
Stewart Lewis-Evans
Chris Bristow
Alan Stacey
Harry Schell
Archie Scott-Brown
Jo Bonnier
Jochen Rindt
Tony Brise
Tom Pryce
Mark Donohue
Peter Revson
And that's just off the top of my head.
This year we had two Antipodeans (in the last few weeks), the legendary Peter Brock and V8 driver, Mark Porter
Other F1 or Grand Prix/Sports Car drivers include -
Carlos Pace
Luigi Musso
Lorenzo Bandini
Pedro Rodriguez
Joel Gartner
Manfred Winkelhock
Alberto Ascari
Giuseppi Farina
Peter Collins
Stewart Lewis-Evans
Chris Bristow
Alan Stacey
Harry Schell
Archie Scott-Brown
Jo Bonnier
Jochen Rindt
Tony Brise
Tom Pryce
Mark Donohue
Peter Revson
And that's just off the top of my head.
racefan uk said:
So, when did an F2 car not become a racing car... I didn't specify F1
If we're not just considering F1, i think we should remember some of the rally drivers who have given their lives to racing. Henri Toivanen, Michael Park, and,not necessarily racing but tragic all the same, Richard Burns.If you want to include drivers who died relatively young from natural causes, then you would have to include Gunnar Nilsson and Will Hoy - and possibly even Tazio Nuvolari (the greatest of them all, probably).
What about some pre-war drivers, like Bernd Rosemeyer, Richard Seaman and Sir Henry Seagrave and John Cobb (both killed attempting the water speed record)
What about some pre-war drivers, like Bernd Rosemeyer, Richard Seaman and Sir Henry Seagrave and John Cobb (both killed attempting the water speed record)
Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 17th October 09:28
Michele Alboreto - 2001.
Elio de Angelis - 1986
Manfred Winkelhock - 1985
Bruce McLaren - 1970
Although not an F1 driver, one probably not remebered that often.
Louis Krages,(aka John Winter) - Le Mans 1985 winner. Sportscar and DTM racer, raced under the pseudonym of John Winter to prevent his family knowing about his dangerous racing career, which was soon found out when his mother saw the back page of the newspaper with him on the rostrum after his Le Mans win. He took his own life in 2001.
Elio de Angelis - 1986
Manfred Winkelhock - 1985
Bruce McLaren - 1970
Although not an F1 driver, one probably not remebered that often.
Louis Krages,(aka John Winter) - Le Mans 1985 winner. Sportscar and DTM racer, raced under the pseudonym of John Winter to prevent his family knowing about his dangerous racing career, which was soon found out when his mother saw the back page of the newspaper with him on the rostrum after his Le Mans win. He took his own life in 2001.
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Tuesday 17th October 11:38
Not F1, but worthy of mention IMHO:
Henri Toivonen, perhaps the most talented rally driver in history died at the age of 29 in 1986 during the Tour De Corse rally. His co-driver, Sergio Cresto, was also killed. Henri left behind a wife and son, Sergio was single and child-less. Thence finished the Group B era of rallying.
Moments before...
... and after...
...R.I.P.
Henri Toivonen, perhaps the most talented rally driver in history died at the age of 29 in 1986 during the Tour De Corse rally. His co-driver, Sergio Cresto, was also killed. Henri left behind a wife and son, Sergio was single and child-less. Thence finished the Group B era of rallying.
Moments before...
... and after...
...R.I.P.
Edited by Jungles on Tuesday 17th October 12:56
Jungles said:
Not F1, but worthy of mention IMHO:
Henri Toivonen, perhaps the most talented rally driver in history died at the age of 29 in 1986 during the Tour De Corse rally. His co-driver, Sergio Cresto, was also killed. Henri left behind a wife and son, Sergio was single and child-less. Thence finished the Group B era of rallying.
Moments before...
... and after...
...R.I.P.
Henri Toivonen, perhaps the most talented rally driver in history died at the age of 29 in 1986 during the Tour De Corse rally. His co-driver, Sergio Cresto, was also killed. Henri left behind a wife and son, Sergio was single and child-less. Thence finished the Group B era of rallying.
Moments before...
... and after...
...R.I.P.
Edited by Jungles on Tuesday 17th October 12:56
Jesus, the 'after' picture looks like the spaceframe to a single seater, not the remnants of a hatchback. I only hope they didn't suffer too much.
Oh, and for other rally drivers...
Possum Bourne
Mark Lovell
Bertie Fisher (albeit in a helicopter accident, which also took the lives of his wife, son, and daughter, IIRC)
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