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Lily,
Forgive me, but thats one of the very issues we're going to be covering.
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What sort of rallying did you have in mind? Driving or navigating?
Forgive me, but thats one of the very issues we're going to be covering.
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What sort of rallying did you have in mind? Driving or navigating?
I can recommend an experience day, to see if it is 'for you' first. I got a day of lessons in an Escort Cosworth on the Oulton Park stage a couple of years back and it got me hooked - not sure how I'd get into rallying though.
Then again I'm also interested in the 750 MC's 'bike-power championship, so there you go...
Then again I'm also interested in the 750 MC's 'bike-power championship, so there you go...
I think doing a spot of navigating before you get straight into driving is time well spent. I've co-driven for people who have had navigating experience & for those that haven't. Makes a huge difference if you as a driver can see the navigator's side of the debate. Get down to your local club & volunteer, it's not like they aren't desperate for navigators.
I started in Rallycross which is a fair bit cheaper to get into (and more fun in one day per £ spent) than getting into rallying.
E.G
Buy a stock hatch prepared 205 Gti rallycross car, ready to compete £1500 - £2500
entry fee per event £150/£200
championship entry £100
additional cost per event budget for £200 + (can be done for less but on average).
www.rallycrossuk.com/
Or, if you want to see if you like driving on the lose surfaces have a go at Autocross first, this is possibly the cheapest entry in to motor sport and is good fun they even have classes for road legal cars;
www.aswmc.org.uk/autox.htm#AXFACT
E.G
Buy a stock hatch prepared 205 Gti rallycross car, ready to compete £1500 - £2500
entry fee per event £150/£200
championship entry £100
additional cost per event budget for £200 + (can be done for less but on average).
www.rallycrossuk.com/
Or, if you want to see if you like driving on the lose surfaces have a go at Autocross first, this is possibly the cheapest entry in to motor sport and is good fun they even have classes for road legal cars;
www.aswmc.org.uk/autox.htm#AXFACT
Furyous said:
TC, are you thinking RGB or Bikesports ?
What's the difference?
I would really like, in the future, to own a 'bike-engined Le Mans racer lookalike - Spire GT-R, Westfield XTR2, Martyni 23 etc - the sort of thing that can be driven on the road or track, and raced on the track with no real modifications needed.
I did karting for three years and so far as I see it, that's the closest you can get to a road-legal kart. If I enjoy the track days, I'd love to get back into racing.
Tell me more!
RGB primarily based on road going cars, 90% Fury/Phoenix mix with a few others, good close racing with 3 classes running at the same time, C are blade motors, B is R1 territory and A is busa/zx12 land.Very friendly bunch.
Bikesports are more race car based,like the stuff you mentioned.
Check out the 750mc webshite for more info, and also www.bikecars.co.uk/
Cheers
F
Bikesports are more race car based,like the stuff you mentioned.
Check out the 750mc webshite for more info, and also www.bikecars.co.uk/
Cheers
F
Lily said:
Anyone know the basics about getting into rallying or some websites for info?
Trying to get an idea of basic costs and requirements.
Trying to get an idea of basic costs and requirements.
Live and breath rallying, happy to help in any way I can.
Whereabouts in the country are you?
Are you thinking road rallying or stage rallying, if stage then tarmac or gravel?
cheers folks, lots of info.
I don't know too much about what i fancy doing, basically I currently ride bikes and do lots of track days and had a go at racing, but due to injury my other half doesn't want me to race bikes again.
I obviously like speed/motorsport, but can't realistically afford proper track racing in a car. I have just sold an Elise 111R but had looked into that side of racing but the cost can be very very high.
I am quite competetive and prefer to try things that are timed or against someone else.
I love watching rallying and from what I understand the entry level can be affordable providing you don't get too carried away.
I only live 2 miles from Oulton, so might pop down for a day and give it a go, but was interted in seeing what the choices were and how much I should expect to spend to get started.
I don't know too much about what i fancy doing, basically I currently ride bikes and do lots of track days and had a go at racing, but due to injury my other half doesn't want me to race bikes again.
I obviously like speed/motorsport, but can't realistically afford proper track racing in a car. I have just sold an Elise 111R but had looked into that side of racing but the cost can be very very high.
I am quite competetive and prefer to try things that are timed or against someone else.
I love watching rallying and from what I understand the entry level can be affordable providing you don't get too carried away.
I only live 2 miles from Oulton, so might pop down for a day and give it a go, but was interted in seeing what the choices were and how much I should expect to spend to get started.
Stage rallying is still pretty costly, and takes a *LOT* of preparation.
I'd say production-class sprinting is an easier way to get some cheap, competitive, speedy motorsports.
Other good things to look into:
Auto-solos (a bit like American SCCA autocross - events are all over the place, but hardly advertised)
Autotesting
Road rallying (rather dying a death in the UK at the moment)
Enduro rallying
www.ukmotorsport.com is a good resource for explanations of all of the above.
Olly (ex-road rallyist)
I'd say production-class sprinting is an easier way to get some cheap, competitive, speedy motorsports.
Other good things to look into:
Auto-solos (a bit like American SCCA autocross - events are all over the place, but hardly advertised)
Autotesting
Road rallying (rather dying a death in the UK at the moment)
Enduro rallying
www.ukmotorsport.com is a good resource for explanations of all of the above.
Olly (ex-road rallyist)
Lily said:
I love watching rallying and from what I understand the entry level can be affordable providing you don't get too carried away.
Agree but suggest you join your local motor club and talk to the peeps there first.
Grass roots rallying is night road events which can be done reasonably inexpensively then I believe Enduros then going up to single stage events and followed full stage events.
Really depends on how deep you want to dig into your pocket
i dont think theres such a thing as 'cheap' motorsport... but there are relatives...
once again try your local clubs... if you want to get into it, but not sure, you could always try going along and help Marshal an event: www.rallysupport.co.uk/ or else the BMMC (the Marshal's club) has details, they also are preparing their 07 calendar of events so it's poss worth keeping an eye on where they are (they cover most of the North West rallys
bit further afield theres www.trackrodmotorclub.co.uk/ - they organise several rallys in Yorkshire and a hillclimb at Harewood
once again try your local clubs... if you want to get into it, but not sure, you could always try going along and help Marshal an event: www.rallysupport.co.uk/ or else the BMMC (the Marshal's club) has details, they also are preparing their 07 calendar of events so it's poss worth keeping an eye on where they are (they cover most of the North West rallys
bit further afield theres www.trackrodmotorclub.co.uk/ - they organise several rallys in Yorkshire and a hillclimb at Harewood
german tony said:
I think doing a spot of navigating before you get straight into driving is time well spent. I've co-driven for people who have had navigating experience & for those that haven't. Makes a huge difference if you as a driver can see the navigator's side of the debate. Get down to your local club & volunteer, it's not like they aren't desperate for navigators.
If you wanted to navigate, how much would that cost? Are people really that desparate for navigators? I've been interested in doing that for a while. I'll never be a great driver, but I reckon I'd be ok at that.
mattrm said:
german tony said:
I think doing a spot of navigating before you get straight into driving is time well spent. I've co-driven for people who have had navigating experience & for those that haven't. Makes a huge difference if you as a driver can see the navigator's side of the debate. Get down to your local club & volunteer, it's not like they aren't desperate for navigators.
If you wanted to navigate, how much would that cost? Are people really that desparate for navigators? I've been interested in doing that for a while. I'll never be a great driver, but I reckon I'd be ok at that.
For some reason, navigators are always in short supply, navigators that can afford to pay for their seat are even rarer.
Tony is quite correct, co-driving for a while first definately helps when you switch seats.
Lily said:
I obviously like speed/motorsport, but can't realistically afford proper track racing in a car. I have just sold an Elise 111R but had looked into that side of racing but the cost can be very very high.
And you think rallying will be cheaper....!!!!!
Preparations costs, entry fee's, tyres and everything else makes rallying hugely expensive. Even the guys in my motorclub that only do local single venue stage events burn cash at an alarming rate.
Lily said:
I obviously like speed/motorsport, but can't realistically afford proper track racing in a car. I have just sold an Elise 111R but had looked into that side of racing but the cost can be very very high.
I am quite competetive and prefer to try things that are timed or against someone else.
I am quite competetive and prefer to try things that are timed or against someone else.
You should have kept the Elise and used it for Sprinting and Hillclimbing instead, which would have given you a competitive class car for that, in the standard or modified road classes.
I think Sprinting/Hillclimbing would definately be a better bet than rallying.
You can also double enter the car with the other half and compete against each other if you want...
Quite a few couples used to do that when I used to Sprint my Lotus-Sunbeam.
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