ITV still can't get it right
ITV still can't get it right
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loudv8

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933 posts

292 months

Saturday 17th March 2007
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At last F1 has entered the 21st century and we now have widescreen coverage. Pity ITV can't be bothered to create separate graphics for 4:3 and 16:9. So now we have a nice wide pic but with the graphics 1/3 of the way across the frame. Also as the text is '4:3 safe', it is too small for 16:9 on a normal 4:3 TV (mine is 28" Same problem with A1 coverage.

I like widescreen even on my old TV, so now I have to set the Sky box for 4:3 to watch F1 or I can't read the text. Then change it back afterwards. Grr.

Also I'm sure the session marker/timer at the top middle of the pic has moved down so now it blocks the view of from the high on-board camera.

And why is the Cock still there ? Is it bloody Que-bit-zer or Cube-ick-er ?

Moan over. Well done Hamilton.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

31,988 posts

264 months

Saturday 17th March 2007
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Mate, at least it's on the telly. Not so long ago (early 90s) not all the races were live on terrestrial.

skeggysteve

5,724 posts

246 months

Saturday 17th March 2007
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Load,

I'm sure that the graphics are put on by Bernie not ITV - but have to agree the position is crap.

AlexS

1,593 posts

261 months

Saturday 17th March 2007
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loudv8 said:
At last F1 has entered the 21st century and we now have widescreen coverage. Pity ITV can't be bothered to create separate graphics for 4:3 and 16:9. So now we have a nice wide pic but with the graphics 1/3 of the way across the frame. Also as the text is '4:3 safe', it is too small for 16:9 on a normal 4:3 TV (mine is 28" Same problem with A1 coverage.

I like widescreen even on my old TV, so now I have to set the Sky box for 4:3 to watch F1 or I can't read the text. Then change it back afterwards. Grr.

Also I'm sure the session marker/timer at the top middle of the pic has moved down so now it blocks the view of from the high on-board camera.

And why is the Cock still there ? Is it bloody Que-bit-zer or Cube-ick-er ?

Moan over. Well done Hamilton.



The digital picture is broadcast as an anamorphic 16:9 image and all the receiver does (if set to 4:3 mode) is crop the edges of the image off. If the picture was broadcast with the graphics down the edge the cropping would just remove them. ITV don't broadcst separate images for 4:3 or 16:9.

mr_thyroid

1,995 posts

256 months

Sunday 18th March 2007
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During qualifying the graphics get in the way of the action during on board shots.

jonm01

819 posts

266 months

Sunday 18th March 2007
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Mate, at least it's on the telly. Not so long ago (early 90s) not all the races were live on terrestrial.



They still aren't. ISTR the Canadian GP was not live last year.

loudv8

Original Poster:

933 posts

292 months

Sunday 18th March 2007
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The digital picture is broadcast as an anamorphic 16:9 image and all the receiver does (if set to 4:3 mode) is crop the edges of the image off. If the picture was broadcast with the graphics down the edge the cropping would just remove them. ITV don't broadcst separate images for 4:3 or 16:9.[/quote]

There is no reason why ITV could not place the graphics 16:9 safe for the digital feed and keep a 4:3 graphic for terrestial. A good compromise would be 14:9, which the BBC have been transmitting for some years. If you want to watch 4:3 then watch analogue terrestial. My point is that most people want to watch widescreen and the graphics are too small and in the way.

Killer2005

20,581 posts

257 months

Sunday 18th March 2007
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Still a few too many ad breaks

Locoblade

7,653 posts

285 months

Sunday 18th March 2007
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loudv8 said:


There is no reason why ITV could not place the graphics 16:9 safe for the digital feed and keep a 4:3 graphic for terrestial. A good compromise would be 14:9, which the BBC have been transmitting for some years. If you want to watch 4:3 then watch analogue terrestial. My point is that most people want to watch widescreen and the graphics are too small and in the way.


Yes there is, because as mentioned above the graphics are put on at source, ie by that particular GP's host broadcaster, or in this case Bernie's tribe, not by ITV. The only time ITV may have control over these is at the British GP, but I still suspect they are told where and how to put the graphics on screen, so there is no variation from race to race.

E38

736 posts

242 months

Sunday 18th March 2007
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Killer2005 said:
Still a few too many ad breaks


At least they were only 1 or two adverts at most, meaning you only missed 20 secs of action. And they were either hilarious JUST FOR MEN GREY HAIR STOPPER or silly car adverts.
But the sound of that NSX on the honda sponsor bit cloud9

sstein

6,249 posts

283 months

Sunday 18th March 2007
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loudv8 said:


And why is the Cock still there ? Is it bloody Que-bit-zer or Cube-ick-er ?



I'm pretty sure it was Brundle that was labouring that point, not James Allen !

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Stuart

D-Angle

4,468 posts

271 months

Sunday 18th March 2007
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loudv8 said:
And why is the Cock still there ? Is it bloody Que-bit-zer or Cube-ick-er ?
More annoying were the links they had him do before the race. Why, when he is on screen, would he have to hold his commentators mike up in front of him to speak? Is it supposed to be some kind of trademark or something? Cock-end.

Calorus

4,081 posts

253 months

Monday 19th March 2007
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D-Angle said:
loudv8 said:
And why is the Cock still there ? Is it bloody Que-bit-zer or Cube-ick-er ?
More annoying were the links they had him do before the race. Why, when he is on screen, would he have to hold his commentators mike up in front of him to speak? Is it supposed to be some kind of trademark or something? Cock-end.


What?

Are you talking about when they're in the commentary booth 5 minutes before the race?

Erm - why try to crane a boom mic and cram its operator into a room which is obviously 6' x 6' x 8? That's just thick! He's using his mike because if someone's holding a mic it's fücking pointless to use a different one.

They explained TWICE during the race that his name is KOO-BEE-TZA but that he liked KOO-BEE-KA because it "sounded faster" - why were the no complaints about "Schuey" or "Olive" or "Jense" or "JV" or "Tora" or any of the other 'pet' names that MB and even Murray have used?

James Allen is an annoying cock, because he's an annoying cock and gets a lot of things wrong - but if you're not informed enough to know when he's getting things wrong, don't thrown stones.

Calorus

4,081 posts

253 months

Monday 19th March 2007
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E38 said:
Killer2005 said:
Still a few too many ad breaks


At least they were only 1 or two adverts at most, meaning you only missed 20 secs of action. And they were either hilarious JUST FOR MEN GREY HAIR STOPPER or silly car adverts.
But the sound of that NSX on the honda sponsor bit cloud9


Nice to know I wasn't the only one.

Calorus

4,081 posts

253 months

Monday 19th March 2007
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loudv8 said:
At last F1 has entered the 21st century and we now have widescreen coverage. Pity ITV can't be bothered to create separate graphics for 4:3 and 16:9. So now we have a nice wide pic but with the graphics 1/3 of the way across the frame. Also as the text is '4:3 safe', it is too small for 16:9 on a normal 4:3 TV (mine is 28" Same problem with A1 coverage.



Buy a better TV.

If 4:3 was legible on a 14" and isn't legible on your 28", you have problems.

Killer2005

20,581 posts

257 months

Monday 19th March 2007
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Calorus said:
E38 said:
Killer2005 said:
Still a few too many ad breaks


At least they were only 1 or two adverts at most, meaning you only missed 20 secs of action. And they were either hilarious JUST FOR MEN GREY HAIR STOPPER or silly car adverts.
But the sound of that NSX on the honda sponsor bit cloud9


Nice to know I wasn't the only one.


Well the honda sponsor bit makes the adverts slightly better. But when the race is on during normal hours I cant see ITV sticking with 1 or 2 adverts during the break

zac510

5,546 posts

235 months

Monday 19th March 2007
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Lucky!
I had to watch the Australian race coverage with Murray Walker and a couple of locals. I was gagging for James Allen back after about 5 minutes.

Don Veloci

2,183 posts

310 months

Monday 19th March 2007
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Since I've had a new tele for a week now I noticed that most graphics and captions appeared to be formatted 4:3 friendly. I guess enventually there will come a time when they decide to display the graphics properly in 16:9.

I was suprised when the France vs Scotland match appeared to be transmitted 4:3. I guess the match cams were a french feed to BBC but why no 16:9?

Alexs

1,593 posts

261 months

Monday 19th March 2007
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Don Veloci said:
Since I've had a new tele for a week now I noticed that most graphics and captions appeared to be formatted 4:3 friendly. I guess enventually there will come a time when they decide to display the graphics properly in 16:9.

I was suprised when the France vs Scotland match appeared to be transmitted 4:3. I guess the match cams were a french feed to BBC but why no 16:9?



They were probably still 4:3 cameras.