Mosley's proposed F! 2011 rules

[johnph]

www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19163.html
www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/58892

Proposes a number of things, the following is my 2p:

2.2 V6 Turbo engines powered by biodiesel with 13 second powerboost per lap, engines have to last for 5 grand prix - Sounds good, makes f1 more relevant to road cars.

Traction Control - NO NO NO

Four wheel drive - see above.

Single chassis supplier - no, let the teams devlop the cars but keep the aero under control.

As one of the articles says the TC, 4WD and chassis proposals may be just to cast the net and see what gets accepeted and rejected.

Edited by johnph on Friday 18th May 20:16

[egomeister]

I really wish Max Mosely would stop trying to turn F1 into a glorified automotive R&D competition. Of course I can see where he's coming from trying to make the sport more justifiable and relevant to manufacturers, but it will only serve to strengthen the stranglehold that manufacturer money has on the sport. I can't see privateer teams such as the next Jordan or Sauber establishing themselves with the way the rules are progressing...

[mr_yogi]

already being discussed HERE

[taffyracer]

egomeister said:

I really wish Max Mosely would stop trying to turn F1 into a glorified automotive R&D competition. Of course I can see where he's coming from trying to make the sport more justifiable and relevant to manufacturers, but it will only serve to strengthen the stranglehold that manufacturer money has on the sport. I can't see privateer teams such as the next Jordan or Sauber establishing themselves with the way the rules are progressing...

Sorry mate, i think you have this the wrong way around, by allowing the teams free reign on certain areas of the regs means that certain teams can spend the equivalent of the gross domestic product of a small conuntry on development, meaning only those with huge budgets (read manufacturer support) can truly be competitve, meaning the manufacturers have a stranglehold. F1 is now so boring, agreed its better this year but that's because of the reg changes.

IMO they need to limit downforce (easily measured), standard tyres (they have), standard Ecu's (coming), standard fuel (why not), engines should last longer (proposed), lose TC and only employ fat middle aged welsh drivers! That would even it up nicely

[coog]

Diesel... in an F1 car?

Oh For F*cks Sake.

[Andy Mac]

coog said:

Diesel... in an F1 car?

Oh For F*cks Sake.

Why not? It's about racing, not some absurd fuel prejudice. And what if the diesel car whooped the field? Would it still be rubbish?

[Dr JonboyG]

Andy Mac said:

coog said:

Diesel... in an F1 car?

Oh For F*cks Sake.

Why not? It's about racing, not some absurd fuel prejudice. And what if the diesel car whooped the field? Would it still be rubbish?

Right. I can't be the only one to be excited about the 908 going up against the R10 this year at Le Mans.

[johnph]

Dr JonboyG said:

Andy Mac said:

coog said:

Diesel... in an F1 car?

Oh For F*cks Sake.

Why not? It's about racing, not some absurd fuel prejudice. And what if the diesel car whooped the field? Would it still be rubbish?

Right. I can't be the only one to be excited about the 908 going up against the R10 this year at Le Mans.

Depends on how the car sounds, the 908 sounds like a v12 so thats ok by me.

[Eric Mc]

Why not a diesel in F1?

At one point they tried gas turbines.

Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 20th May 14:13

[coog]

It’s not so much about fuel "prejudice"; it’s just, at least in my lifetime, F1 has always been about loud screaming, high revving engines, something that Diesel distinctly isn't.

I have no doubt that diesel cars can be and in fact are very capable of being high performance engines but I can't help but feel it would alienate a lot of F1 fans as it'd be missing a few of the crucial elements (sound and smell). I'm sure I’m not the only one who feels it would be a bad move.

All imo of course

[Eric Mc]

Over any one lifetime F1 will (and should) change dramatically. Since its inception the following engines have been allowed:

1948-1951 - 1.5 litre supercharged/4.5 litre normally aspirated (most of these engines were fuelled by very high octane petrol based fuels - but quite a bit different to ordinary pump petrol)

1953- 1960 - 2.5 litre normally aspirated (petrol/petrol mixes)

1961-1965 - 1.5 litre normally aspirated (pump petrol)

1966-1987 - 3 litre normally aspirated/1.5 litre supercharged (this weas later interpreted to mean turbocharged as well)
In 1968-70 gas turbines (using kerosene) were allowed but later banned

1987 - the 3 litre normally aspirated engines were allowed to be increased to 3.5 litre.

1989 - turbos banned

1995 - 3.5 litre reduced back to 3 litre

2006 - engines reduced further to 2.4 litres

Quite a range then.

Diesels have been used in both Le Mans and Indycars.

[Andy Mac]

coog said:

It’s not so much about fuel "prejudice"; it’s just, at least in my lifetime, F1 has always been about loud screaming, high revving engines, something that Diesel distinctly isn't.

I have no doubt that diesel cars can be and in fact are very capable of being high performance engines but I can't help but feel it would alienate a lot of F1 fans as it'd be missing a few of the crucial elements (sound and smell). I'm sure I’m not the only one who feels it would be a bad move.

All imo of course

have you heard the R10?

[RedYellowGreen]

Well in 2 out of the 3 reports I have read on this they mention bioFUEL not biodiesel so not sure whos right. Actually is there anyone who can give me some techy type facts here? My question is what gives the more energy when burnt, petrol or diesel?

[Marc W]

I was under the impression they'd be using Bio-ethanol, which wouldn't be too different to how it is now, other than having to have slightly larger fuel tanks as you need more Bio-ethanol than petrol to go the same distance. It does give a little bit more power though.

[flemke]

I think that it is obvious to most motorsports enthusiasts that the single best improvement to Formula One would be the removal of Max Mosley as FIA President.

[Scuffers]

flemke said:

I think that it is obvious to most motorsports enthusiasts that the single best improvement to Formula One would be the removal of Max Mosley as FIA President.

first sencible post on this thread! (IMHO)

[flemke]

Scuffers said:

flemke said:

I think that it is obvious to most motorsports enthusiasts that the single best improvement to Formula One would be the removal of Max Mosley as FIA President.

first sencible post on this thread! (IMHO)

I feel foolish for having stated the obvious, but it's true, isn't it?

[MrKipling43]

We've got two topics here discussing the exact same thing...

[johnph]

i know. mine was first (i think)

[rubystone]

flemke said:

I think that it is obvious to most motorsports enthusiasts that the single best improvement to Formula One would be the removal of Max Mosley as FIA President.

Plus BCE - I've had enough of his interfering now...