The reason for Ferraris slide?
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Given the reliance on aerodynamics in F1 now this seems entirely plausible.
Given the reliance on aerodynamics in F1 now this seems entirely plausible.
It would not suprise me at all and runs in parallel to what I have said on the Just Chatting thread.
Basically this season has seen everyone using the same tyres so no advantage can be had there. L:ikewise the new engine rules mean that they are much closer on power to each other, so no advantage there.
The main area where a competetive advantage can be had is aero. So the top aero teams are at the front.
Drivers really are a secondary factor. Put them in equal cars and the results would be completely different. Kimi would win every race.
Basically this season has seen everyone using the same tyres so no advantage can be had there. L:ikewise the new engine rules mean that they are much closer on power to each other, so no advantage there.
The main area where a competetive advantage can be had is aero. So the top aero teams are at the front.
Drivers really are a secondary factor. Put them in equal cars and the results would be completely different. Kimi would win every race.
Ahonen said:
Or that the loss of Byrne, Brawn and Martinelli (?) is starting to filter through now and the team is starting to make wrong decisions without three of the main reasons for their recent success.
They've certainly lost the dream team of Brawn/Todt/Schumacher. Schumacher is only on hand as an advisor and Brawn may or may not come back. In todays autosport there are rumours that Ferrari want Rosberg due to his Schumacherness, put Brawn and Todt with him and we could have a decent challenger for Hamilton. 
loneranger said:
Drivers really are a secondary factor. Put them in equal cars and the results would be completely different. Kimi would win every race.
On current form and according to your logic he would actually finish second to his team mate who appears to be able to beat him with relative ease just now in the same carEdited by freedman on Thursday 21st June 15:52
And this as well maybe......?
Autosport said:
Ferrari's Stepney faces criminal enquiry
The Modena district attorney in Italy has opened criminal investigation against Ferrari stalwart Nigel Stepney, after the Maranello outfit filed a formal complaint earlier this week.
The team would not divulge the nature of their complaint or what Stepney is accused of, but a team spokesman has confirmed to autosport.com that the Briton is at the centre of investigation.
"Ferrari have taken action against Nigel Stepney, and there is now an investigation," the spokesman said, adding that Stepney is still an employee of Ferrari.
Ferrari refused to offer any additional information, saying they will refrain from making any comment on the matter while the investigation is ongoing.
Stepney himself is currently on holiday, and all attempts to reach him for comment over the last few days have failed.
Autosport.com understands the Modena district attorney has launched a criminal investigation after receiving Ferrari's complaint with accompanying documents. A public defence lawyer has been appointed to represent Stepney in the investigation in his absence.
Just a few months ago, two former Ferrari employees were found guilty of taking team secrets to Toyota.
Stepney is responsible for team performance development at Ferrari, having been the Scuderia's race and test technical manager until earlier this year.
The Briton, who joined Ferrari a decade ago from Benetton, was moved to his new position after claiming he was unhappy at the technical department following Ross Brawn's departure.
Stepney had hoped to be able to take a sabbatical this year, but that request was declined by the team who instead gave him a new factory-based role.
Speaking to Autosport magazine earlier this year, he said: "I am looking at spending a year away from Ferrari.
"I'm not currently happy with the situation within the team - I really want to move forward with my career and that's something that's not happening right now.
"Ideally, I'd like to move into a new environment here at Ferrari - but if an opportunity arose with another team, I would definitely consider it."
Stepney has been widely linked with a possible move to Honda.
The Modena district attorney in Italy has opened criminal investigation against Ferrari stalwart Nigel Stepney, after the Maranello outfit filed a formal complaint earlier this week.
The team would not divulge the nature of their complaint or what Stepney is accused of, but a team spokesman has confirmed to autosport.com that the Briton is at the centre of investigation.
"Ferrari have taken action against Nigel Stepney, and there is now an investigation," the spokesman said, adding that Stepney is still an employee of Ferrari.
Ferrari refused to offer any additional information, saying they will refrain from making any comment on the matter while the investigation is ongoing.
Stepney himself is currently on holiday, and all attempts to reach him for comment over the last few days have failed.
Autosport.com understands the Modena district attorney has launched a criminal investigation after receiving Ferrari's complaint with accompanying documents. A public defence lawyer has been appointed to represent Stepney in the investigation in his absence.
Just a few months ago, two former Ferrari employees were found guilty of taking team secrets to Toyota.
Stepney is responsible for team performance development at Ferrari, having been the Scuderia's race and test technical manager until earlier this year.
The Briton, who joined Ferrari a decade ago from Benetton, was moved to his new position after claiming he was unhappy at the technical department following Ross Brawn's departure.
Stepney had hoped to be able to take a sabbatical this year, but that request was declined by the team who instead gave him a new factory-based role.
Speaking to Autosport magazine earlier this year, he said: "I am looking at spending a year away from Ferrari.
"I'm not currently happy with the situation within the team - I really want to move forward with my career and that's something that's not happening right now.
"Ideally, I'd like to move into a new environment here at Ferrari - but if an opportunity arose with another team, I would definitely consider it."
Stepney has been widely linked with a possible move to Honda.
Looking at Silverstone today it looks like the donkeys now have a working tunnel.
McLaren pulled Alonso in to suck his tanks dry and still he couldn't get near what Massa was doing consistently all day.
Looks good for some interesting races.
It could be between Kimi and Massa for the championship.
Massa must be a good bet at Ladbrokes just now.
McLaren pulled Alonso in to suck his tanks dry and still he couldn't get near what Massa was doing consistently all day.
Looks good for some interesting races.
It could be between Kimi and Massa for the championship.
Massa must be a good bet at Ladbrokes just now.
I reckon its more down to mechanical grip.
The Ferrari were strong at Barcelona - that's an aero dependent track and also where Ferrari introduced major updates.
They've been pretty poor at the last 3 races where there was more onus on mechanical grip.
Kimi has been complaining about the performance over 1 lap. Brundle thought Kimi was overdoing his outlaps at Indy.
We'll see how my theory proves right. Magny Cours and Silverstone are traditionally aero tracks and I reckon Ferrari will be back to fight the Macs.
The Ferrari were strong at Barcelona - that's an aero dependent track and also where Ferrari introduced major updates.
They've been pretty poor at the last 3 races where there was more onus on mechanical grip.
Kimi has been complaining about the performance over 1 lap. Brundle thought Kimi was overdoing his outlaps at Indy.
We'll see how my theory proves right. Magny Cours and Silverstone are traditionally aero tracks and I reckon Ferrari will be back to fight the Macs.
pitpass said:
A Ferrari spokesperson said:
It is not related to any event, it is related to his behaviour.
Edited to add link
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 22 June 11:36
Ahonen said:
The way that was written you'd be forgiven for thinking about a touch of the Vic Lee's 
Vic Lee?...Surely you,re not suggesting Vic is in any way guilty of hiding some shady drug smuggling scheme under the umbrella of his highly successful touring car engineering firm....twice....are you? loneranger said:
It would not suprise me at all and runs in parallel to what I have said on the Just Chatting thread.
Basically this season has seen everyone using the same tyres so no advantage can be had there. L:ikewise the new engine rules mean that they are much closer on power to each other, so no advantage there.
The main area where a competetive advantage can be had is aero. So the top aero teams are at the front.
Drivers really are a secondary factor. Put them in equal cars and the results would be completely different. Kimi would win every race.
So what about Massa who is currently driving the same exact car as Kimi and is beating him?Basically this season has seen everyone using the same tyres so no advantage can be had there. L:ikewise the new engine rules mean that they are much closer on power to each other, so no advantage there.
The main area where a competetive advantage can be had is aero. So the top aero teams are at the front.
Drivers really are a secondary factor. Put them in equal cars and the results would be completely different. Kimi would win every race.
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