Max is doing it again - Get your fecking hands off F1

[TheOriginalGT40]

I read with interest in the current issue of Autosport that Max has stuck his size 15 FIA feet into the melting pot again. What the feck is he going on about with wanting to have control chassis in F1?

Oh of course, this is just a smoke screen to force through moveable areo bodywork...

WHAT THE FFFF KKKK

You only have to read a motoring journal, speak to drivers, technical guys and most fans to know that we all want the dependancy of aero to be dropped from F1, yet the FIA, heading up by 'the cock MkII' wants to introduce moveable aero bodywork to help aid overtaking!!

This guy is from another planet

And how is this little gem of an idea going to reduce the costs then MAX? Oh please do tell...

Scrap aero dependancy and let's get back to stunning looking cars that can race each other.

[rubystone]

So...applying my Mosleyfish filter, I deduce that he's looking for the TWG to agree to limiting aero then...

[TheOriginalGT40]

rubystone said:

So...applying my Mosleyfish filter, I deduce that he's looking for the TWG to agree to limiting aero then...

From how I read it, far from it! He's suggested control chassis if the teams will not push for moveable aero bodywork. That's not a limit to aero, but yet another move to keep aero at the forefront of car design and development. The complete opposite to what everyone else wants IMHO.

[skinny]

probably at the behest of that BMW guy who's rather friendly with max, looking to make F1 simply a rapid development ground for road car technology... max keeps banging on about keeping technology relevant to road cars...

as you say tho, just when things are looking to start to move in the right direction, this comes along and threatens to pull F1 in completely the opposite (and clearly wrong) direction. i really hope this doesn't happen or it will be the beginning of the end for the sport.

if manufacturers want to use motorsport for rapid development why not use a series actually based on road cars in teh first place like WTCC ffs

[TheOriginalGT40]

skinny said:

if manufacturers want to use motorsport for rapid development why not use a series actually based on road cars in teh first place like WTCC ffs

Couldn't agree more. I have placed another post on a thread to ask what F1 technology you'll find on your normal family car, say a Golf or Focus...

Not much response which in my mind shows the smoke screen used to try and justify all the money they spend. OK some super cars may have fancy bits like paddle shift (something no real driver likes anyway) or ceramic disc brakes, yeah really filtering down to our road cars right!!

[mchammer89]

TheOriginalGT40 said:

rubystone said:

So...applying my Mosleyfish filter, I deduce that he's looking for the TWG to agree to limiting aero then...

From how I read it, far from it! He's suggested control chassis if the teams will not push for moveable aero bodywork. That's not a limit to aero, but yet another move to keep aero at the forefront of car design and development. The complete opposite to what everyone else wants IMHO.

I'm with you on the aero point, which hasn't got much relevance to road car design, though i'm not sure how you could restrict the use of aero parts, I mean with engines you can limit capacity, max power/torque etc. but it would be more difficult to do this with aero, and I can imagine the teams focusing on finding loopholes in the aero regulations instead of focusing on mechanical grip, I love the idea, I just don't think it would be easy to put into operation.

[anonymous-user]

control chassis is a step too far, control wings ios all thats required. the designers concentrate too much on disturbing the airflow for the car behind so the racing is ruined but so long as you are infront it doesnt matter.

the FIA just need to build four wings of varying downforce then a team can choose which one they want to use for qualifying and racing. the wings are designed to maintain smooth airflow thus allowing the cars to get close to one another and shock horror overtake!!!

[rubystone]

Generally, when he puts forward a "control" suggestion, he actually wants the teams to come up with a halfway house. I doubt that any well financed team would want to race with a spec chassis, although teams such as Penske show that by fine-tuning what is permitted under such regulations, advantages can be gained.

I'm probably wrong, but I think that Max wants the TWG to come up with proposals that would go some way towards limiting the "contribution" of aero, especially when it comes to affecting the performance of following cars.

Whilst it has been proven that CDG wouldn't have worked, I think that Mosley still wants this work to lead to something.

Didn't someone else on this forum suggest limiting the appendages on the body? That ought to be easy to do - simply impose a minimum height for sidepods and a maximum "deck" height.

All IMHO of course

[TheOriginalGT40]

rubystone said:

Generally, when he puts forward a "control" suggestion, he actually wants the teams to come up with a halfway house. I doubt that any well financed team would want to race with a spec chassis, although teams such as Penske show that by fine-tuning what is permitted under such regulations, advantages can be gained.

I'm probably wrong, but I think that Max wants the TWG to come up with proposals that would go some way towards limiting the "contribution" of aero, especially when it comes to affecting the performance of following cars.

Whilst it has been proven that CDG wouldn't have worked, I think that Mosley still wants this work to lead to something.

Didn't someone else on this forum suggest limiting the appendages on the body? That ought to be easy to do - simply impose a minimum height for sidepods and a maximum "deck" height.

All IMHO of course

I've mentioned about all the silly winglets too many times on here. There is no need for min/max - the rule should simply be that no steps or extrusions of any kind (except mirrors) are allowed across the entire bodywork surface. This would also be used to stop any form of barge boards front and rear.

Ad to that the great idea above for a choice of 3-4 control wings front and back and I think we are starting to move in the right direction.

[rubystone]

TheOriginalGT40 said:

rubystone said:

Generally, when he puts forward a "control" suggestion, he actually wants the teams to come up with a halfway house. I doubt that any well financed team would want to race with a spec chassis, although teams such as Penske show that by fine-tuning what is permitted under such regulations, advantages can be gained.

I'm probably wrong, but I think that Max wants the TWG to come up with proposals that would go some way towards limiting the "contribution" of aero, especially when it comes to affecting the performance of following cars.

Whilst it has been proven that CDG wouldn't have worked, I think that Mosley still wants this work to lead to something.

Didn't someone else on this forum suggest limiting the appendages on the body? That ought to be easy to do - simply impose a minimum height for sidepods and a maximum "deck" height.

All IMHO of course

I've mentioned about all the silly winglets too many times on here. There is no need for min/max - the rule should simply be that no steps or extrusions of any kind (except mirrors) are allowed across the entire bodywork surface. This would also be used to stop any form of barge boards front and rear.

Ad to that the great idea above for a choice of 3-4 control wings front and back and I think we are starting to move in the right direction.

What's the problem with barge boards? They are really flow conditioners after all

[TheOriginalGT40]

They are just another aero item that we can do without. If all cars didn't have them then no one would gain an advantage would they?

[rubystone]

TheOriginalGT40 said:

They are just another aero item that we can do without. If all cars didn't have them then no one would gain an advantage would they?

But the point I was making is that not all the cars do have them - it's a design philosophy that you either adopt or you don't....bit like the Mclaren horns on the engin cover, which only BMW (IIRC) have adopted.

For example, at his Design Museum lecture (way) prior to the launch of the RB3, Newey told the audience that he followed that philosophy and sure enough, the car went that route...

[german tony]

Mosely has had senile dementia for years now, it's the only logical explanation for his comments.

& to think I thought Balestre was destroying the sport.

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

[zac510]

OriginalGT40, you are too emotionally charged to be able to make a rational judgement on these matters!

The FIA never takes a step backwards without taking two forwards. So while the teams might think they're getting flexible aero, the FIA will pull out two rugs from beneath them. We just don't know which ones yet.