Why arent BMW involved in DTM ?
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Furyous said:
Oh yeah, forgot about Andy P.
But how come they dont want to play in DTM ?
Because the cost is a lot higher than WTCC - remember BMW also has to run FBMW in Britian and Germany (soon to be combined to form a Euro chmapionship supporting F1) as well as Asia and America. They also have to put money towards their F1 programme, while the Petronas and Intel sponsorship helps reduce the cost, theres still a a fair bit of investment needed. But how come they dont want to play in DTM ?
Edited by johnph on Tuesday 10th July 09:20
Sitting at the back of my friends company's workshop is an unfinished project....
Right, these are the rules to do DTM. (I think)
i) You must have a V8 in your range.
ii) You must have RWD in your range.
So sitting there, under a dust cover, is the remains of the MG DTM car !!!
I kid you not...
Right, these are the rules to do DTM. (I think)
i) You must have a V8 in your range.
ii) You must have RWD in your range.
So sitting there, under a dust cover, is the remains of the MG DTM car !!!
I kid you not...
The Hypno-Toad said:
Sitting at the back of my friends company's workshop is an unfinished project....
Right, these are the rules to do DTM. (I think)
i) You must have a V8 in your range.
ii) You must have RWD in your range.
So sitting there, under a dust cover, is the remains of the MG DTM car !!!
I kid you not...
Pictures!Right, these are the rules to do DTM. (I think)
i) You must have a V8 in your range.
ii) You must have RWD in your range.
So sitting there, under a dust cover, is the remains of the MG DTM car !!!
I kid you not...
The Hypno-Toad said:
Sitting at the back of my friends company's workshop is an unfinished project....
Right, these are the rules to do DTM. (I think)
i) You must have a V8 in your range.
ii) You must have RWD in your range.
So sitting there, under a dust cover, is the remains of the MG DTM car !!!
I kid you not...
In theory then, the new M3 means that BMW could quite easily drop that into the series without the homologation costs? It would be a treat to see what a 'DTM' version of the M3 would sound/look/go like Right, these are the rules to do DTM. (I think)
i) You must have a V8 in your range.
ii) You must have RWD in your range.
So sitting there, under a dust cover, is the remains of the MG DTM car !!!
I kid you not...
neil_bolton said:
In theory then, the new M3 means that BMW could quite easily drop that into the series without the homologation costs? It would be a treat to see what a 'DTM' version of the M3 would sound/look/go like
Think BMW M5 series...... paint it BMW's corporate colours (white/blue/black)...
... stick on some aero kits, ala WTCC...
voila, a DTM car!
Edited by Jungles on Tuesday 10th July 10:20
groomi said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Sitting at the back of my friends company's workshop is an unfinished project....
Right, these are the rules to do DTM. (I think)
i) You must have a V8 in your range.
ii) You must have RWD in your range.
So sitting there, under a dust cover, is the remains of the MG DTM car !!!
I kid you not...
Pictures!Right, these are the rules to do DTM. (I think)
i) You must have a V8 in your range.
ii) You must have RWD in your range.
So sitting there, under a dust cover, is the remains of the MG DTM car !!!
I kid you not...
Slightly off topic but did anyone else ever have a good look round one of those V8 powered MG-ZTs?
Couldn't believe what was under the bonnet, talk about doing your R&D in the field. The wiring was all over the shop and the V8 still had a Mustang plaque on the air filter. They really were desperate towards the end. Mind you I understand they're quite fun to drive and must be a doodle to tune up. (if the chassis can take it.)
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Tuesday 10th July 10:27
The Hypno-Toad said:
groomi said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Sitting at the back of my friends company's workshop is an unfinished project....
Right, these are the rules to do DTM. (I think)
i) You must have a V8 in your range.
ii) You must have RWD in your range.
So sitting there, under a dust cover, is the remains of the MG DTM car !!!
I kid you not...
Pictures!Right, these are the rules to do DTM. (I think)
i) You must have a V8 in your range.
ii) You must have RWD in your range.
So sitting there, under a dust cover, is the remains of the MG DTM car !!!
I kid you not...
Slightly off topic but did anyone else ever have a good look round one of those V8 powered MG-ZTs?
Couldn't believe what was under the bonnet, talk about doing your R&D in the field. The wiring was all over the shop and the V8 still had a Mustang plaque on the air filter. They really were desperate towards the end. Mind you I understand they're quite fun to drive and must be a doodle to tune up. (if the chassis can take it.)
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Tuesday 10th July 10:27
The chassis by all accounts is more than capable of handling it, and I've seen the thing through some tough corners and it handles in a way that belies its weight!
A best barge bargain if any!
Edited by neil_bolton on Tuesday 10th July 10:33
Jungles said:
Think BMW M5 series...
... paint it BMW's corporate colours (white/blue/black)...
... stick on some aero kits, ala WTCC...
voila, a DTM car!
If only it were that simple - if you get a chance, check out one of these cars close up - think F1 with a carbon body. But I guess you're just having a bit of fun in any case ... paint it BMW's corporate colours (white/blue/black)...
... stick on some aero kits, ala WTCC...
voila, a DTM car!
DTM is being totally propped up by Mercedes nowadays, Haug desperately keeping his fingers crossed that Audi will commit to another year....
rubystone said:
Jungles said:
Think BMW M5 series...
... paint it BMW's corporate colours (white/blue/black)...
... stick on some aero kits, ala WTCC...
voila, a DTM car!
If only it were that simple - if you get a chance, check out one of these cars close up - think F1 with a carbon body. But I guess you're just having a bit of fun in any case ... paint it BMW's corporate colours (white/blue/black)...
... stick on some aero kits, ala WTCC...
voila, a DTM car!
DTM is being totally propped up by Mercedes nowadays, Haug desperately keeping his fingers crossed that Audi will commit to another year....
Even the primitive Australian V8 Supercars need more work than the general process I described. And I know that the DTM series has more technology than AV8SC.
Weren't there three manufacturers in the DTM a few years ago? Merc, Audi, and Opel, I think. Why the drop in participation?
Jungles said:
Weren't there three manufacturers in the DTM a few years ago? Merc, Audi, and Opel, I think. Why the drop in participation?
Usual story I think, not enought folding. IIRC it was also announced that they would be withdrawring at about the same time as they were laying a fair number of workers off.
Nothing at all to do with the fact they were getting their arses handed back to them as well I'm sure
Jungles said:
Think BMW M5 series...
... paint it BMW's corporate colours (white/blue/black)...
... stick on some aero kits, ala WTCC...
voila, a DTM car!
No think Italian Superstars Touring car. ... paint it BMW's corporate colours (white/blue/black)...
... stick on some aero kits, ala WTCC...
voila, a DTM car!
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There was a couple of Opel Vectras running recently. Could have been as late as last year, if not '05. Distictly remember one of them having a big off at Hockenheim at the last round of the season - H-H Frentzen driving.
Then there was the V8 Astra Coupe and the Calibra before that. Didn't Alfa have some involvement too? Before the V8 era I think.
Then there was the V8 Astra Coupe and the Calibra before that. Didn't Alfa have some involvement too? Before the V8 era I think.
You're fazing the distinction between DTM and ITC.
late 80s DTM morphed into the ITC - mega-mega bucks series, Williams prepared all of the Opel Calibras for example, and the works budgets were exceeding that of the F1 teams of the Era.
ITC collapsed due to the massive costs - at it's admittedly spectacular height in 1994, Merc had the Evo II, Opel had the Calibra, Alfa had the 155 - Alfa dropped out, then Opel pulled the plug.
DTM then resurfaced with Opel, Audi and Merc.
These days it's a sillouette series - the roof line needs to be the same as the road car, but that's about it in terms of relevance to the road cars. Despite the attempt by the series directors to curb costs (each team can only have three engines for the whole season) it's still ludicrously expensive and faintly irrelevant. Still a great spectacle though.
The ?TCC series are road car based, and BMW produced a specific homologation E90 - the 320si - with the Vanos removed etc.
late 80s DTM morphed into the ITC - mega-mega bucks series, Williams prepared all of the Opel Calibras for example, and the works budgets were exceeding that of the F1 teams of the Era.
ITC collapsed due to the massive costs - at it's admittedly spectacular height in 1994, Merc had the Evo II, Opel had the Calibra, Alfa had the 155 - Alfa dropped out, then Opel pulled the plug.
DTM then resurfaced with Opel, Audi and Merc.
These days it's a sillouette series - the roof line needs to be the same as the road car, but that's about it in terms of relevance to the road cars. Despite the attempt by the series directors to curb costs (each team can only have three engines for the whole season) it's still ludicrously expensive and faintly irrelevant. Still a great spectacle though.
The ?TCC series are road car based, and BMW produced a specific homologation E90 - the 320si - with the Vanos removed etc.
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