Toro Rosso confirm Bourdais for 2008
Toro Rosso confirm Bourdais for 2008
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FourWheelDrift

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92,271 posts

313 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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The sulky Frenchy has finally been signed to race in F1.

Autocar said:
Scuderia Toro Rosso have confirmed three-time Champ Car champion Sebastien Bourdais will race for the team in 2008.

The Frenchman will join German Sebastian Vettel at the Italian squad next season.

"It has been a long time coming, but here we are," said Bourdais. "I would like to thank everyone at Red Bull for believing in me and giving me this long-awaited opportunity to race in Formula One.

"I must also thank Newman/Haas/Lanigan Racing for letting me pursue my dream and allowing me to test for Scuderia Toro Rosso a few times this year."

The 28-year-old Frenchman will be free to join the team after the final round of this year's Champ Car Series on 2 December.

130R

7,080 posts

235 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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Liuzzi was doing the best he could with that POS Toro Rosso call a race car. I don't know where they get off dumping him like this but I will be cheering every time one of their cars go up in flames from now on.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

291 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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So he goes from being a series leader to driving for Toro........give it two meetings before the teddies are thrown well away....

woof

8,456 posts

306 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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Guess he's coming for the money - he really wasn't earning that much in Cart

Good for F1 to have a French driver back in the series. Wonder how long it will take for Vettel to have him on the back foot - he must be laughing to himself - 8 races and plenty of testing experience as opposed to Bourdais who has done virtually nothing !


kenthardy

143 posts

234 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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Then it'll be Justin for Newman Haas Lanergan - British Champ Car champ 2008?

magic torch

5,781 posts

251 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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Vettel will demolish him.

jellison

12,803 posts

306 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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magic torch said:
Vettel will demolish him.
BOLLOX - EXCELLENT NEWS

mko9

2,986 posts

241 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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I know F1 is the big show, but it is hard to believe anyone would be excited about going to STR right now. It will be interesting to see if Bourdais can do anything with the car, he certainly hasn't in testing. It may shed a little bit of light on Liuzzi and Speed's real capabilities if Vettel and Bourdais can do no better.

jellison

12,803 posts

306 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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Speed was mid grid in GP2 (occasional up front) Liuzzi was alot better but did nothing. Speed is not loose - though the hoha that surrounds his dismissal is shamefull - he should have stuck one on the Red Bull Guy!

magic torch

5,781 posts

251 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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jellison said:
magic torch said:
Vettel will demolish him.
BOLLOX - EXCELLENT NEWS
We'll see, won't we. smile

I heard from someone, might have been my Mum, that he isn't mentally strong enough. Toro Rosso aren't the most sympathetic of teams are they?


jellison

12,803 posts

306 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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magic torch said:
jellison said:
magic torch said:
Vettel will demolish him.
BOLLOX - EXCELLENT NEWS
We'll see, won't we. smile

I heard from someone, might have been my Mum, that he isn't mentally strong enough. Toro Rosso aren't the most sympathetic of teams are they?
Seem like a bunch of cocks.

skinny

5,269 posts

264 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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i said it before, relating to vettel, but i don't see how going to such a poor performing team will do you any favours whatsoever. you'll be at the back of the grid, getting in the way and totally un-noticed until you screw up, which you will inevitably do in trying to make a completely uncompetitive car set a decent lap. and they'll have two very inexperienced drivers trying to help develop the car.

vettel should have stayed as BMW tester and gone for race seat in '09 - it's not like he's running out of time is it!
bourdais, if he's as good as everyone reckons (i too think vettel will be better than him) should have held out for a renault drive - can't see fisi lasting too much longer (but then is keikki experienced enough to lead the team?)

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

256 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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Replacing two promising young drivers with two who have limited F1 experience seems like an odd move.

Everyone knows you should only change one variable at a time.

deadslow

8,788 posts

252 months

Friday 10th August 2007
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magic torch said:
jellison said:
magic torch said:
Vettel will demolish him.
BOLLOX - EXCELLENT NEWS
We'll see, won't we. smile

I heard from someone, might have been my Mum, that he isn't mentally strong enough. Toro Rosso aren't the most sympathetic of teams are they?
Bergher is like a favourite uncle who wants to kill you. Interesting.

freedman

6,015 posts

236 months

Saturday 11th August 2007
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Replacing two promising young drivers with two who have limited F1 experience seems like an odd move.

Everyone knows you should only change one variable at a time.
Neither Speed not Liuzzi are 'promising' Speed is poor and Liuzzi not a lot better.

Vettel should be comfotably quicker than either and if Bourdais isnt it will really show the paucity of talent in CART, after all it looks like he will a 4 times chapion when he leaves at the end of the season.

AlexS

1,593 posts

261 months

Saturday 11th August 2007
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freedman said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
Replacing two promising young drivers with two who have limited F1 experience seems like an odd move.

Everyone knows you should only change one variable at a time.
Neither Speed not Liuzzi are 'promising' Speed is poor and Liuzzi not a lot better.

Vettel should be comfotably quicker than either and if Bourdais isnt it will really show the paucity of talent in CART, after all it looks like he will a 4 times chapion when he leaves at the end of the season.
Considering Speed came 3rd (behind Rosberg and Kovalainen) in GP2 he can't be that bad, unless the GP2 standard is appalling as well.

chrisfoxon

56 posts

241 months

Saturday 11th August 2007
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This demonstrates how the respect for Champ Cars in the F1 grid has fallen due to all the fighting between IRL and CART. A few years ago the yanks were coming straight into top line drives, Andretti into McLaren, Villeneuve into Williams, Montoya into Williams, Zanardi into Williams. Now the three times champion has to join Torro Rosso!

On the other hand it might mean that Williams realised that fast in America didn't translate firectly to fast in Europe

davyboy

746 posts

284 months

Saturday 11th August 2007
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skinny said:
but i don't see how going to such a poor performing team will do you any favours whatsoever
I take it you've heard of this Alonso chap?

groomi

9,331 posts

272 months

Saturday 11th August 2007
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chrisfoxon said:
This demonstrates how the respect for Champ Cars in the F1 grid has fallen due to all the fighting between IRL and CART. A few years ago the yanks were coming straight into top line drives, Andretti into McLaren, Villeneuve into Williams, Montoya into Williams, Zanardi into Williams. Now the three times champion has to join Torro Rosso!

On the other hand it might mean that Williams realised that fast in America didn't translate firectly to fast in Europe
Probably something to do with straights and corners as opposed to circles...

Dr JonboyG

2,561 posts

268 months

Saturday 11th August 2007
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130R said:
Liuzzi was doing the best he could with that POS Toro Rosso call a race car. I don't know where they get off dumping him like this but I will be cheering every time one of their cars go up in flames from now on.
If by 'the best he could' you mean he was getting outdriven by his team mate, plus he kept stacking the car, yeah.