Whatever happened to the Renault IP 'issue'?
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In the current issue of F1 there is a sidebar about this.
They name an engineer who left McLaren for Renault some time ago. It is rumoured that this guy took with him details of McLaren's cooling system, and maybe of something else.
At this point I don't know whether it is clear to the public whether McLaren raised the allegation to show that revelations of IP are quite common within F1, to slow down Briatore's attempts to help stick in the knife during the run-up to the second hearing, or because they wish seriously to pursue the matter.
I wouldn't think it would be the third; they seem resolved to leaving the whole mess behind.
They name an engineer who left McLaren for Renault some time ago. It is rumoured that this guy took with him details of McLaren's cooling system, and maybe of something else.
At this point I don't know whether it is clear to the public whether McLaren raised the allegation to show that revelations of IP are quite common within F1, to slow down Briatore's attempts to help stick in the knife during the run-up to the second hearing, or because they wish seriously to pursue the matter.
I wouldn't think it would be the third; they seem resolved to leaving the whole mess behind.
trackdemon said:
Have to admit I missed the fine detail - possibly because they were never aired - but since the McLaren/Ferrari IP scandal/fitup the mention of Renault possesing other teams IP seems to have evaoprated.... Does anyone know what the full story was there?
Had Renaults performance challenged Ferrari, you can bet your bottom dollar that Ferrari Internatinal Assistance would have come to the rescue, Toyota were convicted (I believe) in a court over this and recieved no sanctions.ELAN+2 said:
trackdemon said:
Have to admit I missed the fine detail - possibly because they were never aired - but since the McLaren/Ferrari IP scandal/fitup the mention of Renault possesing other teams IP seems to have evaoprated.... Does anyone know what the full story was there?
Had Renaults performance challenged Ferrari, you can bet your bottom dollar that Ferrari Internatinal Assistance would have come to the rescue, Toyota were convicted (I believe) in a court over this and recieved no sanctions.Also, there was no doubt in this case - Toyota had directly benefited from the Ferrari IP.
ELAN+2 said:
Had Renaults performance challenged Ferrari, you can bet your bottom dollar that Ferrari Internatinal Assistance would have come to the rescue, Toyota were convicted (I believe) in a court over this and recieved no sanctions.
According to the FIA, they received no complaint about the Toyota case, which is why they didn't act on it. I assume they did receive a complaint about the McLaren case, otherwise they wouldn't have looked at it.trackdemon said:
Have to admit I missed the fine detail - possibly because they were never aired - but since the McLaren/Ferrari IP scandal/fitup the mention of Renault possesing other teams IP seems to have evaoprated.... Does anyone know what the full story was there?
What does the full story matter? Ferrari already have the constructor's title.HTH
jamieboy said:
ELAN+2 said:
Had Renaults performance challenged Ferrari, you can bet your bottom dollar that Ferrari Internatinal Assistance would have come to the rescue, Toyota were convicted (I believe) in a court over this and recieved no sanctions.
According to the FIA, they received no complaint about the Toyota case, which is why they didn't act on it. I assume they did receive a complaint about the McLaren case, otherwise they wouldn't have looked at it.Rule 151c of the Sporting Regs (the one by which they tried to crucify McLaren) states that a breach of the rules will include:
"Any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally."
Why should it require a formal protest by one of the teams in order for these clowns to enforce their own rules? Two Toyota employees have been found guilty in a criminal court of industrial espionage. They committed this crime directly to aid Toyota, to whose wind tunnel the illicit IP was applied.
Was that not "fraudulent conduct"?
flemke said:
Why should it require a formal protest by one of the teams in order for these clowns to enforce their own rules? Two Toyota employees have been found guilty in a criminal court of industrial espionage. They committed this crime directly to aid Toyota, to whose wind tunnel the illicit IP was applied.
Was that not "fraudulent conduct"?
Was that not "fraudulent conduct"?
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