More defections from 997 GT3 RSR to F430 GT
More defections from 997 GT3 RSR to F430 GT
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Dr JonboyG

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268 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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Yet another team in the ALMS is abandoning the 997 GT3 RSR for the Ferrari F430 GT:

http://www.americanlemans.com/News/Article.aspx?ID...

Tafel is jumping ship and buying two F430s. After the absolute mauling the Porsches got in 2007, I can't say I'm surprised. Did Weissach totally take their eye off the ball because they were focusing on the RS Spyder? Will this be the kick in the arse they need to get back on a level with Maranello? Here's hoping they do - I can't stand seeing those Italian cocks on top.


Edited by Dr JonboyG on Thursday 6th December 03:58

SimonY

348 posts

237 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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Even hate for Ferrari in the ALMS? confusedlaugh

With the pedigree that Porsche has in GT I expect they'll get back in front, and those that are loyal to them will be the ones that have the competitive advantage

rude-boy

22,227 posts

262 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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IMO they (Porsche) dropped the ball.

They thought they were far enough ahead to stay ahead so didn't do all they should. Fezza have just closed the gap and overtaken them.


Dr JonboyG

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Thursday 6th December 2007
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True. I spent an evening getting quite drunk with the Tafel crew at Mid Ohio this summer, and they said that Porsche has been doing bugger all development on the 997; it was entirely up to teams to move things along. No wonder they got outclassed by Ferrari.

Sean Edwards

999 posts

239 months

Sunday 20th January 2008
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The 430 is just too quick over short distance. In 24 hour races, we won the lot in 2007 (Nords, Spa, Le Mans).

The 997 has some good developments for 08, but so does the 430 and I guess it will be a similar story to 2007 unfortunately.

I hope it will become competitive eventually.

flemke

23,482 posts

266 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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Dr JonboyG said:
True. I spent an evening getting quite drunk with the Tafel crew at Mid Ohio this summer, and they said that Porsche has been doing bugger all development on the 997; it was entirely up to teams to move things along. No wonder they got outclassed by Ferrari.
Unfortunately this is the Wiedenking business model.

Also, let's not forget that having the engine in the back is inherently less good.

Dr JonboyG

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Thursday 24th January 2008
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flemke said:
Dr JonboyG said:
True. I spent an evening getting quite drunk with the Tafel crew at Mid Ohio this summer, and they said that Porsche has been doing bugger all development on the 997; it was entirely up to teams to move things along. No wonder they got outclassed by Ferrari.
Unfortunately this is the Wiedenking business model.

Also, let's not forget that having the engine in the back is inherently less good.
Right, but I don't think I can handle another season of Maranello winning in the ALMS. You should persuade your pal Olaf to come over here and race in the US! With the dollar in freefall, it's got to be cheaper than the LMS or FIA GT.

flemke

23,482 posts

266 months

Thursday 24th January 2008
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Dr JonboyG said:
flemke said:
Dr JonboyG said:
True. I spent an evening getting quite drunk with the Tafel crew at Mid Ohio this summer, and they said that Porsche has been doing bugger all development on the 997; it was entirely up to teams to move things along. No wonder they got outclassed by Ferrari.
Unfortunately this is the Wiedenking business model.

Also, let's not forget that having the engine in the back is inherently less good.
Right, but I don't think I can handle another season of Maranello winning in the ALMS. You should persuade your pal Olaf to come over here and race in the US! With the dollar in freefall, it's got to be cheaper than the LMS or FIA GT.
Tell me about it. I don't think I can handle another season of Maranello's existing.
In this case, however, I don't how much even Olaf can do. It's not as if he has not had any conversations with Weissach about how to make their car faster.wink

johnph

1,097 posts

258 months

Friday 25th January 2008
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Dr JonboyG said:
flemke said:
Dr JonboyG said:
True. I spent an evening getting quite drunk with the Tafel crew at Mid Ohio this summer, and they said that Porsche has been doing bugger all development on the 997; it was entirely up to teams to move things along. No wonder they got outclassed by Ferrari.
Unfortunately this is the Wiedenking business model.

Also, let's not forget that having the engine in the back is inherently less good.
Right, but I don't think I can handle another season of Maranello winning in the ALMS. You should persuade your pal Olaf to come over here and race in the US! With the dollar in freefall, it's got to be cheaper than the LMS or FIA GT.
There has been talk of a number of GT teams going and racing in the ALMS due to the weak dollar, the oversuscribed LMS and dissatisfaction with Ratel's 2hr sprint races.

Dr JonboyG

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Friday 25th January 2008
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johnph said:
Dr JonboyG said:
flemke said:
Dr JonboyG said:
True. I spent an evening getting quite drunk with the Tafel crew at Mid Ohio this summer, and they said that Porsche has been doing bugger all development on the 997; it was entirely up to teams to move things along. No wonder they got outclassed by Ferrari.
Unfortunately this is the Wiedenking business model.

Also, let's not forget that having the engine in the back is inherently less good.
Right, but I don't think I can handle another season of Maranello winning in the ALMS. You should persuade your pal Olaf to come over here and race in the US! With the dollar in freefall, it's got to be cheaper than the LMS or FIA GT.
There has been talk of a number of GT teams going and racing in the ALMS due to the weak dollar, the oversuscribed LMS and dissatisfaction with Ratel's 2hr sprint races.
Yeah, I read something to that effect on Murphy the Bear, but who knows how accurate he is. I'll believe it when I see them race.

Dr JonboyG

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Thursday 31st January 2008
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Looks like this year is going to be as embarrassing as 2007. Porsche couldn't even get into the top 3 at the Sebring Wheels Down test - not only beaten by a pair of F430s, but also by the ancient Panoz. Oh dear.

TonyToniTone

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278 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Dr JonboyG said:
Looks like this year is going to be as embarrassing as 2007. Porsche couldn't even get into the top 3 at the Sebring Wheels Down test - not only beaten by a pair of F430s, but also by the ancient Panoz. Oh dear.
They havent run the new cars yet, so who knows how competative they will be..

Christophorus said:
The fans got another big thrill out of the 911 GT3 RSR as it fought those exciting duels with Ferrari in the GT2 class. How
do you see the situation with regard to these near-production sports cars?

“In this class we have a serious competitor once again after many years. I think this is very good for us. Ferrari has certainly given this business a boost, and the interest in GT racing has soared not only in the U.S. In our car, which was a new entry last year, we have made improvements in three areas for 2008: We are using a new transmission that’s based in large measure on our experience with the RS Spyder. Next, we increased the aerodynamic efficiency.

With an increase in downforce and less drag, the car runs faster with the same engine power, both in curves and on straights. The third point is improved weight distribution. By making many small body changes, we were able to shift the weight from the rear to the front axle. That’s especially important in a car with a rear engine. We expect these improvements to substantially improve our chances. We’ve also made major improvements in the 911 GT3 Cup, which will participate not only in the Porsche Mobil1 Supercup but also in the Porsche Carrera Cups and the GT3 Cup Challenges. During the winter months we have built 265 of these cars. That’s a new record.”

Christophorus Link
Took from topic "Porsche Motorsport -Could the 911 be replaced by the Caymen" http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

ginettag27

7,093 posts

298 months

Tuesday 5th February 2008
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Dare I say, after seeing the 430 up close in BGT they are a stunning piece of machinery a real beast of a racecar in all the right senses. I'm not usually a Prancing Horse fan, but it is superbly made and well thought out, it just looks the business and delivers, especially in the right hands.

TonyToniTone

3,927 posts

278 months

Wednesday 6th February 2008
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Porsche get a slamming from defector..

http://www.sportscarpros.com/not-that-it-s-any-of-...

Dr JonboyG

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Wednesday 6th February 2008
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TonyToniTone said:
Porsche get a slamming from defector..

http://www.sportscarpros.com/not-that-it-s-any-of-...
I was just coming here to post the same thing.