So much for the driver aid ban in 08!!
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Apparenrently 'some' teams who will not be named by others have found away around the standard ECU which is meant to stop all these driver aids. It would appear that 'these' cars sound very differently under heavy throttle from other cars.
No one seems prepared to name names, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of those cars is red!!
..and as for the bloody stupid aero wings/fins on this years cars - I think we are heading into an era of the worst looking cars ever.
No one seems prepared to name names, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of those cars is red!!
..and as for the bloody stupid aero wings/fins on this years cars - I think we are heading into an era of the worst looking cars ever.
Altrezia said:
npope said:
why Red, I guess you talking about the Vodaphone sign writing. I guess once a cheat always a cheat
Why red? The most prolific cheaters in F1 - thats why. "These ECUs were used exactly as supplied to us by McLaren...they are clearly trying to besmirch our good name. We will be seeking the utmost penalty....sit Max, heel..good dog."
DrTre said:
Altrezia said:
npope said:
why Red, I guess you talking about the Vodaphone sign writing. I guess once a cheat always a cheat
Why red? The most prolific cheaters in F1 - thats why. "These ECUs were used exactly as supplied to us by McLaren...they are clearly trying to besmirch our good name. We will be seeking the utmost penalty....sit Max, heel..good dog."
motormania said:
Apparenrently 'some' teams who will not be named by others have found away around the standard ECU which is meant to stop all these driver aids. It would appear that 'these' cars sound very differently under heavy throttle from other cars.
No one seems prepared to name names, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of those cars is red!!
Chaps, it is called superior throttle control.No one seems prepared to name names, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of those cars is red!!
coetzeeh said:
motormania said:
Apparenrently 'some' teams who will not be named by others have found away around the standard ECU which is meant to stop all these driver aids. It would appear that 'these' cars sound very differently under heavy throttle from other cars.
No one seems prepared to name names, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of those cars is red!!
Chaps, it is called superior throttle control.No one seems prepared to name names, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of those cars is red!!
flemke said:
coetzeeh said:
motormania said:
Apparenrently 'some' teams who will not be named by others have found away around the standard ECU which is meant to stop all these driver aids. It would appear that 'these' cars sound very differently under heavy throttle from other cars.
No one seems prepared to name names, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of those cars is red!!
Chaps, it is called superior throttle control.No one seems prepared to name names, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of those cars is red!!
Taxi...This was the piece that made me scribble this thread, so it's in the media already and the season has not even started!!!
From Autosport web site:
Jarno Trulli fears that some teams have found a way to get around the electronic limitations of Formula One's mandatory standard ECU, are now able to simulate launch control - which was supposed to have been outlawed this year.
The McLaren Electronics Systems (MES) standard ECU has been introduced for 2008, resulting in the effective outlawing of electronic driver aids like traction control, engine braking and launch control.
Although it was hoped that the absence of launch control would lead to more drama at the start of races, with drivers now needing more clutch control and having to handle wheelspin, Trulli thinks not everyone will be on a level playing field when the season kicks off in Melbourne.
He believes that some teams have found a way to make their start procedure automatic, which will hand their drivers a big advantage when the lights go out.
"I'm not going to name any names, but I think that some teams have already found a way to automate the starting procedure and reduce to the minimum the chance of spinning the wheels under acceleration," he was quoted as saying by Italian magazine Autosprint.
"I'm not saying someone's cheating, even though we've received some conflicting information at Toyota.
"But having analyzed the behaviour on the track both now and in the tests in December, the changes between them are many - and in several cases suspicious."
Electronic launch control was banned in 2004, however, mechanical launch control - where the clutch was preloaded based on data away from starting grid - was allowed until the end of last year.
Paddock sources have suggested that some cars do sound different under heavy acceleration, with this first being noticed at the first corner at Jerez during last week's test.
From Autosport web site:
Jarno Trulli fears that some teams have found a way to get around the electronic limitations of Formula One's mandatory standard ECU, are now able to simulate launch control - which was supposed to have been outlawed this year.
The McLaren Electronics Systems (MES) standard ECU has been introduced for 2008, resulting in the effective outlawing of electronic driver aids like traction control, engine braking and launch control.
Although it was hoped that the absence of launch control would lead to more drama at the start of races, with drivers now needing more clutch control and having to handle wheelspin, Trulli thinks not everyone will be on a level playing field when the season kicks off in Melbourne.
He believes that some teams have found a way to make their start procedure automatic, which will hand their drivers a big advantage when the lights go out.
"I'm not going to name any names, but I think that some teams have already found a way to automate the starting procedure and reduce to the minimum the chance of spinning the wheels under acceleration," he was quoted as saying by Italian magazine Autosprint.
"I'm not saying someone's cheating, even though we've received some conflicting information at Toyota.
"But having analyzed the behaviour on the track both now and in the tests in December, the changes between them are many - and in several cases suspicious."
Electronic launch control was banned in 2004, however, mechanical launch control - where the clutch was preloaded based on data away from starting grid - was allowed until the end of last year.
Paddock sources have suggested that some cars do sound different under heavy acceleration, with this first being noticed at the first corner at Jerez during last week's test.
motormania said:
Paddock sources have suggested that some cars do sound different under heavy acceleration, with this first being noticed at the first corner at Jerez during last week's test.
If they are running anything like the traction control that has been present up until now, it will be very obvious to those at the track. It sounds like a low frequency white noise has been superimposed over the engine noise. It is most strange, and if I were a scrutineer or steward and heard anything like it I would be asking questions.You can't normally hear it on TV, but this video captures it quite well.
Edited by tank slapper on Wednesday 23 January 17:07
jon- said:
Hmm, definitely missing isn't she, though that test was the 07 car so are we sure it's running the new ECU or just testing aero parts on the old car?
That video is of a test last year with traction control - I posted it to illustrate what it sounds like, as it is very distinctive.tank slapper said:
jon- said:
Hmm, definitely missing isn't she, though that test was the 07 car so are we sure it's running the new ECU or just testing aero parts on the old car?
That video is of a test last year with traction control - I posted it to illustrate what it sounds like, as it is very distinctive.I believe I posted something to the effect that the teams would indeed be looking to influence the behaviour of their cars "downstream" from the standard ECU. I'm not sure there's anything in the rules about that and I'd love to know what they have done. Renalt had superior launch control systems several years ago didn't they...I wouldn't mind betting that they have come up trumps again; it ought to be pretty obvious though.
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