bernie where will it all end?
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RUSSIA TO REPLACE AUSTRALIAN GP!!?
http://news.theage.com.au/australia-likely-to-lose-f1-gp-to-russia/20080211-1rjo.html
Can't wait till f1 is touting itself for the mongolian and siberian grand prix
So the chasing of advertising revenue and the prising of money from the saps that stage the races is now more important than the needs of the fans.
Bernie obviously thinks that F1 is so important that people will watch night races from third world countries just so TV advertisers get viewing figures to justify the expense.
Easy cure . . bring all the races back to Europe Bernie Duh!
OOps forgot they are resisting your exorbitant fees and they can't advertise cigarettes....
What to do..
prognosis . . .
All the European circuits will soon no longer be involved in F1.
That will be fantastic. They will therefore no longer be contracted to bernie and the stage will be set for another group to create a rival series of races all based in Europe with real fans watching real drivers.
Bernie can then take the Max and Bernie Ferrari show to its night time races in Kuala Lumpit or wherever to send digital viewers around the world tobacco advertising from the third world featuring replays of the bits you missed while the adverts were on for the twentiwth time oh and relays of the bits you missed when the replays were on and replays of the bits you missed when the replays were showing replays of the bits missed when replays..oh I give up...
http://news.theage.com.au/australia-likely-to-lose-f1-gp-to-russia/20080211-1rjo.html
Can't wait till f1 is touting itself for the mongolian and siberian grand prix
So the chasing of advertising revenue and the prising of money from the saps that stage the races is now more important than the needs of the fans.
Bernie obviously thinks that F1 is so important that people will watch night races from third world countries just so TV advertisers get viewing figures to justify the expense.
Easy cure . . bring all the races back to Europe Bernie Duh!
OOps forgot they are resisting your exorbitant fees and they can't advertise cigarettes....
What to do..
prognosis . . .
All the European circuits will soon no longer be involved in F1.
That will be fantastic. They will therefore no longer be contracted to bernie and the stage will be set for another group to create a rival series of races all based in Europe with real fans watching real drivers.
Bernie can then take the Max and Bernie Ferrari show to its night time races in Kuala Lumpit or wherever to send digital viewers around the world tobacco advertising from the third world featuring replays of the bits you missed while the adverts were on for the twentiwth time oh and relays of the bits you missed when the replays were on and replays of the bits you missed when the replays were showing replays of the bits missed when replays..oh I give up...
Edited by mark69sheer on Monday 11th February 07:25
Will the drivers be allowed any additional testing and training time to get used to running under lights, I wonder?
I really think this is the most dangerous and ill thought out move yet by the powers that be in F1. If the teams and drivers had any gumption or backbone they would have put their foot down straight away on safety grounds.
I really think this is the most dangerous and ill thought out move yet by the powers that be in F1. If the teams and drivers had any gumption or backbone they would have put their foot down straight away on safety grounds.
woof said:
good point Mark - has anyone mentioned what happens if it rains during a night race ?
I should think the same thing that happens when it rains in tha daylight race, they'll pit, put wets on and go back out and get on with it.They do at Le Mans, and not under bloody floodlights either.
I really can't see what everyone is whinging about night races for? It's an added element to the racing, might even be interesting to watch too. As for safety, is sitting into an 800bhp missle safe at the best of times? It's down to the guy behind the wheel to make it as safe or as dangerous as he wants, no one else.
Drivers used to go around the Nurburgring, without seat belts, in the fog and rain. Yes, occasionally people got injured and killed. You think the safety aspects of a modern day F1 car won't cut out a huge chunk of the danger if someone has an 'off'? They're driving in carbon fibre cocoons nowadays, not open top cars with cork helmets. And they're RACING DRIVERS. They're meant to like a bit of danger, it's part of the job... isn't it?
Where the Grand Prix World Championship when you need it?
Seriously, gove us a breakaway series with races in Europe, Australia, North and South America and Japan, places whuich have a culture of and genuine interest in motor racing and where they don't have to pay people to make the place look full.
Seriously, gove us a breakaway series with races in Europe, Australia, North and South America and Japan, places whuich have a culture of and genuine interest in motor racing and where they don't have to pay people to make the place look full.
Edited by johnph on Monday 11th February 14:59
Racefan_uk said:
woof said:
good point Mark - has anyone mentioned what happens if it rains during a night race ?
I should think the same thing that happens when it rains in tha daylight race, they'll pit, put wets on and go back out and get on with it.They do at Le Mans, and not under bloody floodlights either.
I really can't see what everyone is whinging about night races for? It's an added element to the racing, might even be interesting to watch too. As for safety, is sitting into an 800bhp missle safe at the best of times? It's down to the guy behind the wheel to make it as safe or as dangerous as he wants, no one else.
Drivers used to go around the Nurburgring, without seat belts, in the fog and rain. Yes, occasionally people got injured and killed. You think the safety aspects of a modern day F1 car won't cut out a huge chunk of the danger if someone has an 'off'? They're driving in carbon fibre cocoons nowadays, not open top cars with cork helmets. And they're RACING DRIVERS. They're meant to like a bit of danger, it's part of the job... isn't it?
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Lemans is a slightly different case as its not an absolute sprint race , Its an endurance race which is also a war of attrition.
When f1 races are won by who emerges from the pit lane first the car in the pits or the car passing on the straight after nearly two hours racing then the racing is too tight to add darkness to the mix.
Why would the Aussies want a night race anyway?
What time their time would it be?
If its aimed for 1pm viewing in the UK then it would have to be raced at 1am Saturday night in Aus.
Would you go to the british GP at 1am in the morning?
Its just greed and bo
ocksFI at night .... = stupidity at best.
Edited by mark69sheer on Monday 11th February 18:53
If I am correct, IRL has raced under the lights without any incident.
Frankly, I would think it would be more fan friendly to race under the lights in the HOT climates. Is it really fun to bake in 90 degree heat for hours getting sunstroke?
Back to BE, I think it would be great if the European's would tell BE to kiss off and start their own race series.
Frankly, I would think it would be more fan friendly to race under the lights in the HOT climates. Is it really fun to bake in 90 degree heat for hours getting sunstroke?
Back to BE, I think it would be great if the European's would tell BE to kiss off and start their own race series.
That's on ovals - which is much more like a stadium situation. NASCAR races under floodlights too. Didn't the British Touring Cars race at night a couple of years ago? I don't think that experiment was ever repeated.
F1 just won't be right in the dark. I just think it is a lamebrain idea that has no connection with F1 or Grand Prix racing as I know it.
Eventually, the product moves so far away from what it once was was that it isn't that product anymore.
F1 just won't be right in the dark. I just think it is a lamebrain idea that has no connection with F1 or Grand Prix racing as I know it.
Eventually, the product moves so far away from what it once was was that it isn't that product anymore.
Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 11th February 16:52
F1 in the dark, won't be in the dark, it will be under a circuit fully floodlit.
Yes, I'm fully aware that Le Mans cars have lights, but you'll also find that the bulk of the full Le Mans circuit isn't floodlit either, so they need them.
The F1 race will be under full floodlights, with the entire circuit being lit up. So it won't bethat different from a daylight race I shouldn't think. Yes, it will be harder, but, these drivers are the best in the world (tongue placed firmly in cheek) they'll manage, I'm sure.
As has already been pointed out, various other race series run in the dark. NASCAR, IRL, here in the UK the BTCC raced at night for three years running. One season at two venues. The fans loved it. Stock cars, Hot Rods and Banger racing has always been run in floodlit stadiums for years (yes, they crash into each other and it's not the same level, I am aware of that too) the drivers seem to manage well enough.
Part of me really wants to see an F1 race in the dark, just for a new experience, part of me thinks it's Bernie posturing and doing whatever he can now to get F1 in the meeja as often as possible. Meh.
I still can't see what the problem is though, they're F1 drivers, they're meant to be the best there are, surely they will be relishing the chance to prove it under a different set of circumstances?
Yes, I'm fully aware that Le Mans cars have lights, but you'll also find that the bulk of the full Le Mans circuit isn't floodlit either, so they need them.
The F1 race will be under full floodlights, with the entire circuit being lit up. So it won't bethat different from a daylight race I shouldn't think. Yes, it will be harder, but, these drivers are the best in the world (tongue placed firmly in cheek) they'll manage, I'm sure.
As has already been pointed out, various other race series run in the dark. NASCAR, IRL, here in the UK the BTCC raced at night for three years running. One season at two venues. The fans loved it. Stock cars, Hot Rods and Banger racing has always been run in floodlit stadiums for years (yes, they crash into each other and it's not the same level, I am aware of that too) the drivers seem to manage well enough.
Part of me really wants to see an F1 race in the dark, just for a new experience, part of me thinks it's Bernie posturing and doing whatever he can now to get F1 in the meeja as often as possible. Meh.
I still can't see what the problem is though, they're F1 drivers, they're meant to be the best there are, surely they will be relishing the chance to prove it under a different set of circumstances?
There is that element that they are the best so let them prove it.
However f1 is driven at the nth degree. The lines are absolute and on the limit. Coming round a corner to find basically a shadow in your way if a car has spun will almost certainly end in the worst race collision possible.
A T bone
Remember Zanardi?
However f1 is driven at the nth degree. The lines are absolute and on the limit. Coming round a corner to find basically a shadow in your way if a car has spun will almost certainly end in the worst race collision possible.
A T bone
Remember Zanardi?
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