Todt will replace Mosley
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http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/162722-0/m...
Retarded? Or is that no a strong enough word?
An organisation constantly criticised for a lack of impartiality decides that it would be a good idea to have a man from the company they are often accused of favouring running the show.
Are they so bereft of intelligence that no one can see a problem with this?
Or are their heads so far up each others' arses that they simple don't care?!
Retarded? Or is that no a strong enough word?
An organisation constantly criticised for a lack of impartiality decides that it would be a good idea to have a man from the company they are often accused of favouring running the show.
Are they so bereft of intelligence that no one can see a problem with this?
Or are their heads so far up each others' arses that they simple don't care?!
If Todt gets in then perhaps it will be really the time to stop watching F1
Is been an amazing boss at Ferrari - he's turned that team from nothing to the best, by any means possible - but could he ever be impartial ?
The FIA is set up in a way that the president can do anything he wants - it's terribly flawed and undemocratic and worse still open to being abused.
Bernie is as guilty as Max (in fact bernie is soley responsible for placing Max where he is) - but i'm sure he never wanted it to get this out of control
You know i wouldn't of be so surprised if Bernie was behind the whole Mosleygate outing
Night of the long knives and all that - wouldn't be the first time that he's played that game
Anyway - please god don't let it be Todt !
Moseley recently admitted to being more partial to Ferrari in a positive discrimination sort of way, because of the 'Britishness' of the governing authorities, and them not being seen to favour any of the UK teams.
May be with Todt at the helm, it may just swing the other way, or balance the equilibrium at the very least?
On second thoughts, no, daft idea
May be with Todt at the helm, it may just swing the other way, or balance the equilibrium at the very least?
On second thoughts, no, daft idea
woof said:
If Todt gets in then perhaps it will be really the time to stop watching F1
Is been an amazing boss at Ferrari - he's turned that team from nothing to the best, by any means possible - but could he ever be impartial ?
The FIA is set up in a way that the president can do anything he wants - it's terribly flawed and undemocratic and worse still open to being abused.
Bernie is as guilty as Max (in fact bernie is soley responsible for placing Max where he is) - but i'm sure he never wanted it to get this out of control
You know i wouldn't of be so surprised if Bernie was behind the whole Mosleygate outing
Night of the long knives and all that - wouldn't be the first time that he's played that game
Anyway - please god don't let it be Todt !
I agree with what woof is saying, you think Mad MAx was bad, Mr Todt is a hole different nightmare?Is been an amazing boss at Ferrari - he's turned that team from nothing to the best, by any means possible - but could he ever be impartial ?
The FIA is set up in a way that the president can do anything he wants - it's terribly flawed and undemocratic and worse still open to being abused.
Bernie is as guilty as Max (in fact bernie is soley responsible for placing Max where he is) - but i'm sure he never wanted it to get this out of control
You know i wouldn't of be so surprised if Bernie was behind the whole Mosleygate outing
Night of the long knives and all that - wouldn't be the first time that he's played that game
Anyway - please god don't let it be Todt !
Maybe, but is this a 'set up' to make the delegates keep Max Mosley as FIA President?
Why Jean Todt? Who nominated him? Who is pulling the strings here?
I read an article similar to this, which mentioned "a lock";
http://www.duemotori.com/news/f1/25421_Jean_Todt_o...
"...Todt, the former Ferrari team boss and chief executive, is "a lock" to take over from Mosley, who is battling to keep his unpaid position in the wake of the sex scandal."
I have never heard that before in this type of semantics. What does "a lock" mean?
"...Todt... ...is "a lock" to take over from Mosley..."
Is this some sort bizarre procedure?
Why Jean Todt? Who nominated him? Who is pulling the strings here?
I read an article similar to this, which mentioned "a lock";
http://www.duemotori.com/news/f1/25421_Jean_Todt_o...
"...Todt, the former Ferrari team boss and chief executive, is "a lock" to take over from Mosley, who is battling to keep his unpaid position in the wake of the sex scandal."
I have never heard that before in this type of semantics. What does "a lock" mean?
"...Todt... ...is "a lock" to take over from Mosley..."
Is this some sort bizarre procedure?
Fortitude said:
I have never heard that before in this type of semantics. What does "a lock" mean?
"...Todt... ...is "a lock" to take over from Mosley..."
Is this some sort bizarre procedure?
The only use of the term that I know of is in the mating habits of some felines. Once copulation has taken place the male cat is unable to retract his bits, the full description of the whys and wherefores is too much detail but has something to do with 'barbs' on the male item. So the animals stay 'locked'."...Todt... ...is "a lock" to take over from Mosley..."
Is this some sort bizarre procedure?
It was explained to me when I saw two cats standing bottom to bottom on a small wall in the Inner Temple in the City. I had been called to a 'fight, someone crying' and it was these two cats. I was bemused but a woman came out of one of the buildings and helpfully explained the situation. They were giving out a lot of noise but then, you would, wouldn't you.
Felines are not the only animal thus aflicted.
Does this help?
Tom Rubython, wrote this article on the 2006-12-06 titled;
Jacques Villeneuve won the 1997 world championship even though Michael Schumacher, and, it now appears, the whole Ferrari team did their very best to stop him. With Schumacher’s retirement the old stories are coming out of the woodwork. But few better, or more damning, than the one told by Norberto Fontana.
http://www.f1i.com/features.php?id=5907
Most interesting is the claim by Norberto Fontana, then driving for Sauber
C&P the interesting section of the article by Tom Rubython;
“Fontana says now: “We were in Peter Sauber’s motorhome with the masseur and Johnny Herbert, softening the muscles. It was two or three hours until the race started. Jean Todt entered and went straight to the point: ‘By strict order of Ferrari, Villeneuve must be held up if you come across him on the track. To whoever this applies.’ And this applied to me.” Todt didn’t appear to know who Fontana was but realised as a slower backmarker he might have more chance to block Villeneuve than Herbert would.
It was an astonishing situation for the young driver to be in. But according to Fontana, Peter Sauber told him that whatever the morality he had little choice but to comply. Sauber had an engine contract with Ferrari, then in its first year, which obliged it to comply.
Peter Sauber has since strongly refuted this version of events in an interview with his close friend, the journalist Roger Benoit. But he cannot know for sure as he was not present in the motorhome when Todt made the request. Nevertheless, in an interview published in Blick, the Swiss daily newspaper, Sauber called Fontana a liar and vigorously denies Fontana’s claim.
Sauber told Blick that in the nine years Ferrari and Sauber worked together, the Italians never asked his team to block other drivers. He told Benoit: “Ferrari never expressed the desire that we should obstruct an opponent of Schumacher on the track.”
Benoit is a journalist of the highest regard and with the highest standards, and would have printed exactly what Sauber told him. That Sauber denies it cannot be refuted.
However the television footage appears to prove Sauber wrong rather than Fontana. It clearly shows Fontana blocking Villeneuve for three corners when he came up to be lapped on lap 32. Fontana describes how he did it: “When I came to taking a turn, I held Jacques back by three or four curves, not more.”
As well as the television footage, it is also backed up by a sequence of remarks between Murray Walker and Martin Brundle, the ITV commentators for the English-language broadcast of the event. The exchange went like this:
“Case of champagne from Ferrari to Sauber,” said Walker.
“Because the Argentinian newcomer Norberto Fontana, up from Formula Three, really, really, helped Michael Schumacher on his way there,” he added.
“What engine have they got in that Sauber, Murray?” said Brundle.
“Isn’t it a Ferrari?” he said.
“Well, it is, yes,” said Walker. “Martin you are a cynical chap.”
Walker and Brundle had no doubt what had happened, and although they didn’t know why at the time, by their comments they suspected some doubtful behaviour by Ferrari.
Fontana is adamant he did his job well and blocked Villeneuve for three or four corners and cost him around three seconds.”
At the end of the article Tom Rubython writes;
“But Todt may not be out of the woods. There is now enough published evidence for Max Mosley, the FIA president, to haul Todt up in front of the FIA World Motorsport Council for what he did. But will he?”
Which takes me back to my previous posting about “a lock”.
http://www.duemotori.com/news/f1/25421_Jean_Todt_o...
"...Todt, the former Ferrari team boss and chief executive, is "a lock" to take over from Mosley, who is battling to keep his unpaid position in the wake of the sex scandal."
As stated earlier, I have never heard "a lock" before in this type of semantics, previously asking, “What does mean?”
"...Todt... ...is "a lock" to take over from Mosley..."
The above statement uses the current tense, using ‘is’, not ‘was’ (past) nor ‘will be’ (future).
So when Tom Rubython previously wrote “There is now enough published evidence for Max Mosley, the FIA president, to haul Todt up in front of the FIA World Motorsport Council for what he did”, is this the situation when “a lock” to take over from Mosley” occurs?
Is this the reason why “the rent on the office occupied by the FIA President in Monaco was paid by... Ferrari!(Patrick Pepper, from Paris quoting from F1i Magazine.)?"
Source from;
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/a...
Patrick Pepper, from Paris, writes;
“In the new edition of F1i Magazine (a French-language glossy in the style of F1 Racing), there is an astonishing revelation within an excellent article on the Mosley scandal: "the fact that the rent on the office occupied by the FIA President in Monaco was paid by... Ferrari!"
May I add that, I am as clearly confused about these matters as everybody else, but what is certainly intriguing is that Tom Rubython who raises serious questions is clearly not liked by the FIA.
The editor of BusinessF1 Magazine, Tom Rubython, yesterday won a libel action in the High Court against Richard Woods, director of communications for the Federation Internationale de l' Automobile (FIA).
http://www.f1i.com/features.php?id=6786
Jacques Villeneuve won the 1997 world championship even though Michael Schumacher, and, it now appears, the whole Ferrari team did their very best to stop him. With Schumacher’s retirement the old stories are coming out of the woodwork. But few better, or more damning, than the one told by Norberto Fontana.
http://www.f1i.com/features.php?id=5907
Most interesting is the claim by Norberto Fontana, then driving for Sauber
C&P the interesting section of the article by Tom Rubython;
“Fontana says now: “We were in Peter Sauber’s motorhome with the masseur and Johnny Herbert, softening the muscles. It was two or three hours until the race started. Jean Todt entered and went straight to the point: ‘By strict order of Ferrari, Villeneuve must be held up if you come across him on the track. To whoever this applies.’ And this applied to me.” Todt didn’t appear to know who Fontana was but realised as a slower backmarker he might have more chance to block Villeneuve than Herbert would.
It was an astonishing situation for the young driver to be in. But according to Fontana, Peter Sauber told him that whatever the morality he had little choice but to comply. Sauber had an engine contract with Ferrari, then in its first year, which obliged it to comply.
Peter Sauber has since strongly refuted this version of events in an interview with his close friend, the journalist Roger Benoit. But he cannot know for sure as he was not present in the motorhome when Todt made the request. Nevertheless, in an interview published in Blick, the Swiss daily newspaper, Sauber called Fontana a liar and vigorously denies Fontana’s claim.
Sauber told Blick that in the nine years Ferrari and Sauber worked together, the Italians never asked his team to block other drivers. He told Benoit: “Ferrari never expressed the desire that we should obstruct an opponent of Schumacher on the track.”
Benoit is a journalist of the highest regard and with the highest standards, and would have printed exactly what Sauber told him. That Sauber denies it cannot be refuted.
However the television footage appears to prove Sauber wrong rather than Fontana. It clearly shows Fontana blocking Villeneuve for three corners when he came up to be lapped on lap 32. Fontana describes how he did it: “When I came to taking a turn, I held Jacques back by three or four curves, not more.”
As well as the television footage, it is also backed up by a sequence of remarks between Murray Walker and Martin Brundle, the ITV commentators for the English-language broadcast of the event. The exchange went like this:
“Case of champagne from Ferrari to Sauber,” said Walker.
“Because the Argentinian newcomer Norberto Fontana, up from Formula Three, really, really, helped Michael Schumacher on his way there,” he added.
“What engine have they got in that Sauber, Murray?” said Brundle.
“Isn’t it a Ferrari?” he said.
“Well, it is, yes,” said Walker. “Martin you are a cynical chap.”
Walker and Brundle had no doubt what had happened, and although they didn’t know why at the time, by their comments they suspected some doubtful behaviour by Ferrari.
Fontana is adamant he did his job well and blocked Villeneuve for three or four corners and cost him around three seconds.”
At the end of the article Tom Rubython writes;
“But Todt may not be out of the woods. There is now enough published evidence for Max Mosley, the FIA president, to haul Todt up in front of the FIA World Motorsport Council for what he did. But will he?”
Which takes me back to my previous posting about “a lock”.
http://www.duemotori.com/news/f1/25421_Jean_Todt_o...
"...Todt, the former Ferrari team boss and chief executive, is "a lock" to take over from Mosley, who is battling to keep his unpaid position in the wake of the sex scandal."
As stated earlier, I have never heard "a lock" before in this type of semantics, previously asking, “What does mean?”
"...Todt... ...is "a lock" to take over from Mosley..."
The above statement uses the current tense, using ‘is’, not ‘was’ (past) nor ‘will be’ (future).
So when Tom Rubython previously wrote “There is now enough published evidence for Max Mosley, the FIA president, to haul Todt up in front of the FIA World Motorsport Council for what he did”, is this the situation when “a lock” to take over from Mosley” occurs?
Is this the reason why “the rent on the office occupied by the FIA President in Monaco was paid by... Ferrari!(Patrick Pepper, from Paris quoting from F1i Magazine.)?"
Source from;
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/a...
Patrick Pepper, from Paris, writes;
“In the new edition of F1i Magazine (a French-language glossy in the style of F1 Racing), there is an astonishing revelation within an excellent article on the Mosley scandal: "the fact that the rent on the office occupied by the FIA President in Monaco was paid by... Ferrari!"
May I add that, I am as clearly confused about these matters as everybody else, but what is certainly intriguing is that Tom Rubython who raises serious questions is clearly not liked by the FIA.
The editor of BusinessF1 Magazine, Tom Rubython, yesterday won a libel action in the High Court against Richard Woods, director of communications for the Federation Internationale de l' Automobile (FIA).
http://www.f1i.com/features.php?id=6786
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RE: “Do you know if F1i.com is related to the F1i magazine quoted by Patrick Pepper? I am trying to find anything to back up the claim made by the magazine but can't get hold of a copy at the moment.”
It could be, but I don’t honestly know.
Why not contact The Times and ask them whether they would forward an e-mail onto Patrick Pepper, from Paris who is quoting from F1i Magazine?
When anybody submits a response to an online newspaper article, they have to submit their e-mail address. I am sure that Patrick Pepper, from Paris would be interested that his comments have been discussed here online and would probably be extremely helpful in getting the actual hard copy from the publishers.
RE: “Do you know if F1i.com is related to the F1i magazine quoted by Patrick Pepper? I am trying to find anything to back up the claim made by the magazine but can't get hold of a copy at the moment.”
It could be, but I don’t honestly know.
Why not contact The Times and ask them whether they would forward an e-mail onto Patrick Pepper, from Paris who is quoting from F1i Magazine?
When anybody submits a response to an online newspaper article, they have to submit their e-mail address. I am sure that Patrick Pepper, from Paris would be interested that his comments have been discussed here online and would probably be extremely helpful in getting the actual hard copy from the publishers.
Another interesting article about Jean Todt in the following article;
Michael Schumacher - The strange story of his retirement
http://www.f1i.com/features.php?id=6909
Compelling reading, but I have C&P the last part of the article;
“Meanwhile, none of the pronouncements so far can be taken for granted. Despite the 17 years since Enzo Ferrari’s death, Ferrari is still a very Machiavellian organisation and Jean Todt, predictably, is seething about losing this public battle with Montezemolo. He knows he will never have the same type of relationship with Räikkönen that he has had with Schumacher. Insiders, however, insist that Todt’s job is safe and that he has too many friends inside Fiat for Montezemolo to contemplate sacking him. And they
add that Montezemolo, who is not regarded as malicious, genuinely doesn’t want that and knows Todt is the best man to run
Ferrari. One says: “Whatever Luca is, he isn’t stupid.”
But another outside observer says that Todt has been wounded by what has transpired and doesn’t believe the story is concluded, as he says: “Todt is the most malicious person on two legs and he will hold that against Luca.”
Michael Schumacher - The strange story of his retirement
http://www.f1i.com/features.php?id=6909
Compelling reading, but I have C&P the last part of the article;
“Meanwhile, none of the pronouncements so far can be taken for granted. Despite the 17 years since Enzo Ferrari’s death, Ferrari is still a very Machiavellian organisation and Jean Todt, predictably, is seething about losing this public battle with Montezemolo. He knows he will never have the same type of relationship with Räikkönen that he has had with Schumacher. Insiders, however, insist that Todt’s job is safe and that he has too many friends inside Fiat for Montezemolo to contemplate sacking him. And they
add that Montezemolo, who is not regarded as malicious, genuinely doesn’t want that and knows Todt is the best man to run
Ferrari. One says: “Whatever Luca is, he isn’t stupid.”
But another outside observer says that Todt has been wounded by what has transpired and doesn’t believe the story is concluded, as he says: “Todt is the most malicious person on two legs and he will hold that against Luca.”
Graham said:
well my money would go on JT tipping the wink to the News of the world about Spanky... and his hookers
I'm not so sure about that.If JT's objective is to become the next FIA President, he would be in a better position by working alongside Mosley for a while and then slipping neatly into the top job after Mosley left. If Mosley's influence were compromised, his ability to anoint his successor would be compromised as well.
flemke said:
Graham said:
well my money would go on JT tipping the wink to the News of the world about Spanky... and his hookers
I'm not so sure about that.If JT's objective is to become the next FIA President, he would be in a better position by working alongside Mosley for a while and then slipping neatly into the top job after Mosley left. If Mosley's influence were compromised, his ability to anoint his successor would be compromised as well.
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