Priest calls for Rallying to be banned...
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Also, I feel that this is a case of 'people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'.
Seems odd that a man who promotes something that's probably caused more deaths over the years than any (other) disease, car or natural disaster should call for an end to 'pointless deaths'.
I wonder how many people died from hunger, disease or were murdered in the same instant that that kid died? I'm not saying that his death is insignificant, just that there are far more pressing matters in this world than a rally. Twit.
Edited by MrKipling43 on Monday 16th June 09:44
A lad died. This is tragic for his family and friends I'm sure. But if driver error wasn't the fault and he was struck by a car, does that not mean he was stood somewhere he shouldn't be.
Rather than ban rallys how about we stop people standing where they'll get hit by passing cars....
Rather than ban rallys how about we stop people standing where they'll get hit by passing cars....
I was at the Enniskillen rally a few years back and whilst areas like the outside of bends were clears of spectators by the marshalls, you sometimes got the odd muppets to who would run up the road between cars (roughly 20-30 apart) to where their mates were standing despite the marshalls yelling at them not to.
As the first reply states, everyone should be aware of the risks by attending a rally.
I seem to remember their being one at the Lurgan park rally last year of the year before as well so it's nothing new.
As for the priest, there are more pressing issues for them to deal with. Like the population vs. contraception debate in Africa for one (I'm not meaning for this to turn into a religion bashing debate so please don't make it into one).
F1 has had fatalities as have other sports. Seems a bit unfair to pick on Rallying.
As the first reply states, everyone should be aware of the risks by attending a rally.
I seem to remember their being one at the Lurgan park rally last year of the year before as well so it's nothing new.
As for the priest, there are more pressing issues for them to deal with. Like the population vs. contraception debate in Africa for one (I'm not meaning for this to turn into a religion bashing debate so please don't make it into one).
F1 has had fatalities as have other sports. Seems a bit unfair to pick on Rallying.
As marsal's we can ony 'direct' the spectators about where to stand and if we've got a radio, we can call in to tell the stage controller that there's spectators in the road. Ultimately it's down to the spectators where they stand and we can't physically move them on.
The only option in some cases is to cancel the stage.
The only option in some cases is to cancel the stage.
Spectators do behave abominably. I remember at Sweet Lamb for the Lombard when as soon as a marshall had cleared the road, the spectators moved back onto it. The whistle seemed to be a signal for everyone to move forward.
The problem will be insurance for the organisers.
Mind you, you've got to feel for that religion bloke. I seem to remember there is something in the old testament about rallys. Wasn't that why Group Bs were banned? Psalm 298 says something about it being written about fire, brimstone, wind, noise and dragons. It's easy to confuse that with rally cars.
The problem will be insurance for the organisers.
Mind you, you've got to feel for that religion bloke. I seem to remember there is something in the old testament about rallys. Wasn't that why Group Bs were banned? Psalm 298 says something about it being written about fire, brimstone, wind, noise and dragons. It's easy to confuse that with rally cars.
As a competitor in the event in question I think spectator control in Ireland is generally first class. I am led to believe that the tragedy mentioned above was completely avoidable and driver error was not at fault. The fact is that "motorsport is dangerous" and you are attending an event at your own risk. It's physically impossible for marshalls to be everywhere at once, which is why motor clubs are always on the hunt for volunteers and are constantly trying to improve the safety aspect of road rallying.
The priest in question obviously does not understand the sport and I feel he has spoken out of turn in the heat of the moment. I don't see how he can condemn motorsport when his 'sport' is the cause of millions of deaths all throughout history. Would the young man who was killed agree with his opinions, as he was obviously a fan of rallying?
My thoughts and sympathy are with the young man's family and friends.
ETA - One of the above posts mentions the incident at Lurgan Park last year. It was my father who was one of the people injured in that incident, and was actually the one who came off the worst. Nearly a year on he is still re-learning how to walk, but not once did I hear him criticise rallying itself, only a few individuals connected to the sport. He still gives me his full support and despite the pain and suffering it has caused our family over the last year, he has never once felt rallying should be banned!
The priest in question obviously does not understand the sport and I feel he has spoken out of turn in the heat of the moment. I don't see how he can condemn motorsport when his 'sport' is the cause of millions of deaths all throughout history. Would the young man who was killed agree with his opinions, as he was obviously a fan of rallying?
My thoughts and sympathy are with the young man's family and friends.
ETA - One of the above posts mentions the incident at Lurgan Park last year. It was my father who was one of the people injured in that incident, and was actually the one who came off the worst. Nearly a year on he is still re-learning how to walk, but not once did I hear him criticise rallying itself, only a few individuals connected to the sport. He still gives me his full support and despite the pain and suffering it has caused our family over the last year, he has never once felt rallying should be banned!
Edited by SMcP114 on Monday 16th June 10:36
Blessed is the man who doesn’t walk in the stage of the rally monster,
nor stand in the way of Audis,
nor sit in the seat of Rohrls;
but his delight is in Marshal’s law.
On his law he meditates day and night.
He will be like a tree planted by SS9,
that brings forth its whistle in its season,
whose proban does not wither.
Whatever he does shall prosper.
The wicked are not so,
but are like the helmet thrown through the windscreen.
Therefore the wicked shall be struck down in the 'no spectators' areas,
no sinners at the apex.
For the true rally fan knows the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked shall perish.
nor stand in the way of Audis,
nor sit in the seat of Rohrls;
but his delight is in Marshal’s law.
On his law he meditates day and night.
He will be like a tree planted by SS9,
that brings forth its whistle in its season,
whose proban does not wither.
Whatever he does shall prosper.
The wicked are not so,
but are like the helmet thrown through the windscreen.
Therefore the wicked shall be struck down in the 'no spectators' areas,
no sinners at the apex.
For the true rally fan knows the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked shall perish.
Edited by MrKipling43 on Monday 16th June 10:28
I'm sure it's sad for his family, but if he was somewhere he shouldn't have been, it was his fault. The verdict of 'not driver error' suggests this is the case. So we have someone where he shouldn't be, at an event he knew the risks of and as a result he died. I have more sympathy for the driver that hit him, it'll be with him for the rest of his life.
However, we shouldn't 'ban rallying' just because someone freely made a decision to attend and balanced the risks of what they did of their own accord. He balanced the risk badly and paid the price. He didn't die because rallying is dangerous, he died because he was doing something wrong. The other 49,999 spectators appear to have survived ok.
We shouldn't ban something that thousands enjoy simply because one person's daft enough to get themselves killed. Oh, and if he'd not wanted to expose himself to the risks of rallying and stayed away, there's a 100% certainty he wouldn't have been killed by a rally car.
Simple.
However, we shouldn't 'ban rallying' just because someone freely made a decision to attend and balanced the risks of what they did of their own accord. He balanced the risk badly and paid the price. He didn't die because rallying is dangerous, he died because he was doing something wrong. The other 49,999 spectators appear to have survived ok.
We shouldn't ban something that thousands enjoy simply because one person's daft enough to get themselves killed. Oh, and if he'd not wanted to expose himself to the risks of rallying and stayed away, there's a 100% certainty he wouldn't have been killed by a rally car.
Simple.
Typical of todays mentality
Someone hurt? Ban the event!
Someone killed? Ban the sport!
The thing I like about Rallying is that its the last bastian of proper hairy-arsed motorsport that we have left in this country (barring TT)
The HSE havent stuck their nose in to a point where it ruins it for everyone and as someone who frequents race meetings, hillclimb/sprints and rallying, I have to say the the HSE bods have made photography so difficult at most circuits with their 12' high prison fences.
I dont think the event NOR the sport will be banned as its too big...but it will be a dark day if it is
Someone hurt? Ban the event!
Someone killed? Ban the sport!
The thing I like about Rallying is that its the last bastian of proper hairy-arsed motorsport that we have left in this country (barring TT)
The HSE havent stuck their nose in to a point where it ruins it for everyone and as someone who frequents race meetings, hillclimb/sprints and rallying, I have to say the the HSE bods have made photography so difficult at most circuits with their 12' high prison fences.
I dont think the event NOR the sport will be banned as its too big...but it will be a dark day if it is
They should ban God instead - it was/is/will be all His fault. Oh sorry, I forgot, 'God' gave people 'free will' so they can do what they like, so it's not 'His' fault after all.
As the priest is God's 'marshal' then he should be held responsible. Stone him, bury him up to the neck, crucify him.
Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction, but FFS!
As the priest is God's 'marshal' then he should be held responsible. Stone him, bury him up to the neck, crucify him.
Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction, but FFS!
Edited by mmm-five on Monday 16th June 10:39
aeropilot said:
and has been pointed out, 'Motorsports are Dangerous'.
And boy dont you know it. It's on the back of tickets and plastered on walls and fences and any space available at race circuits. I'm surprised they dont have someone branding people with that message as you walk in the gate.I've never been to a rally. But I'd bet he saw that message on at least 2 things that day. Possibly more could be done to reduce the risks to rally spectators? But I suspect being close to the action is the appeal to a lot of people. So keep pumping out the "Motorsport is Dangerous" message, and let people decide. But possibly also give some form of education on where to stand. Possibly a sheet of paper showing a typical corner and the "safer" places to stand?
aeropilot said:
The Priest's comments are just typical ill informed publicity seeking knee-jerk rubbish....
Unfortunately, incidents like this will always regretably occur on rare occasions, and has been pointed out, 'Motorsports are Dangerous'.
Got to feel sympathy for the crew involved...
Agree totally;Unfortunately, incidents like this will always regretably occur on rare occasions, and has been pointed out, 'Motorsports are Dangerous'.
Got to feel sympathy for the crew involved...
In an average year, more people get killed riding horses than taking part in or watching motorsports. Funny, how no one is jumping up and down about that one.
MrKipling43 said:
Blessed is the man who doesn’t walk in the stage of the rally monster,
nor stand in the way of Audis,
nor sit in the seat of Rohrls;
but his delight is in Marshal’s law.
On his law he meditates day and night.
He will be like a tree planted by SS9,
that brings forth its whistle in its season,
whose proban does not wither.
Whatever he does shall prosper.
The wicked are not so,
but are like the helmet thrown through the windscreen.
Therefore the wicked shall be struck down in the 'no spectators' areas,
no sinners at the apex.
For the true rally fan knows the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked shall perish.
Superb. Thanks for all the efffort.nor stand in the way of Audis,
nor sit in the seat of Rohrls;
but his delight is in Marshal’s law.
On his law he meditates day and night.
He will be like a tree planted by SS9,
that brings forth its whistle in its season,
whose proban does not wither.
Whatever he does shall prosper.
The wicked are not so,
but are like the helmet thrown through the windscreen.
Therefore the wicked shall be struck down in the 'no spectators' areas,
no sinners at the apex.
For the true rally fan knows the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked shall perish.
Edited by MrKipling43 on Monday 16th June 10:28
SMcP114 said:
ETA - One of the above posts mentions the incident at Lurgan Park last year. It was my father who was one of the people injured in that incident, and was actually the one who came off the worst. Nearly a year on he is still re-learning how to walk, but not once did I hear him criticise rallying itself, only a few individuals connected to the sport. He still gives me his full support and despite the pain and suffering it has caused our family over the last year, he has never once felt rallying should be banned!
What an excellent chap you father sounds.Munter said:
aeropilot said:
and has been pointed out, 'Motorsports are Dangerous'.
And boy dont you know it. It's on the back of tickets and plastered on walls and fences and any space available at race circuits. I'm surprised they dont have someone branding people with that message as you walk in the gate.I've never been to a rally. But I'd bet he saw that message on at least 2 things that day. Possibly more could be done to reduce the risks to rally spectators? But I suspect being close to the action is the appeal to a lot of people. So keep pumping out the "Motorsport is Dangerous" message, and let people decide. But possibly also give some form of education on where to stand. Possibly a sheet of paper showing a typical corner and the "safer" places to stand?
More like two hundred things!
I completely agree with you. On the inside of the rally programme there are detailed diagrams showing spectators where, and where not to stand.
I'm led to believe that the incident in question happened when the spectator ran across the road in front of the car, possibly trying to get off the stage and on to the next one. The driver done all he could to try and avoid him but it was impossible, and resulted in quite a big accident for the crew. I really feel for Evans and his navigator, I can only imagine how they feel today.
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