I have complete confidence in McLaren ...
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... having the ability, to completely ignore common sense and lose Hamilton the championship for the second year running.
Is Hamilton going to have to win the championship, DESPITE his team?
Undoubtedly, they've hit the sweet spot with the car's setup but he must start to wonder whose side they're on.
Is Hamilton going to have to win the championship, DESPITE his team?
Undoubtedly, they've hit the sweet spot with the car's setup but he must start to wonder whose side they're on.
Have to agree.
The software programmes used and the probability calculus used in F1 is amazing, most of theses guys have degrees and experience in gambling and futures trading environments.
When the computers flash up what will happen and the supercomputers these guys use is beyond our comprehension, team principles act upon it. McLaren won, the race was good to watch but people make mistakes and there is the what if scenario.....
McLaren will deliver more than Ferrari of track, the issue now rests with drivers and on track engineering.
When the computers flash up what will happen and the supercomputers these guys use is beyond our comprehension, team principles act upon it. McLaren won, the race was good to watch but people make mistakes and there is the what if scenario.....
McLaren will deliver more than Ferrari of track, the issue now rests with drivers and on track engineering.
I don't think this year McLaren or Ferrari have the best strategists. I think its lucky for Mclaren that Ross Brawn is with Honda as IMO he is the best strategist on the tour..
But saying that i think it will make good racing for the rest of the year as you really dont know what will happen from one race to the next.
Lewis Hamilton is in a very strong position with a great car and alot of confidence right now..
But saying that i think it will make good racing for the rest of the year as you really dont know what will happen from one race to the next.
Lewis Hamilton is in a very strong position with a great car and alot of confidence right now..
belleair302 said:
When the computers flash up what will happen and the supercomputers these guys use is beyond our comprehension, team principles act upon it.
You'll find far more powerful computers running your average high street retailer than they use for strategy calls, a basic laptop will do the trick. They save the large processing power for the design staff and wind tunnel data processing.You can't beat a good brain such as Ross possesses for this kind of thing.
Well it was pretty obvious what happened. I was doing the ironing whilst watching the race and still called it to the wife. "Macca thought they were going to have 3 laps more for Lewis than they did and give him 20 secs" were pretty much my exact words, lo and behold Ron mentions the 3 laps bit later on. All fairly obvious to me. He didnt need the 25 seconds, just 20 to get him back out there or thereabouts around Massa.
As to why they didnt bring him in, it was all because of the tyres. 25 laps or so on the soft compound tyres and with Lewis they were pushing him right to the edge of their durability. They fell a cropper last yr on that exact thing, so it would have made sense to them to go conservative this time around. They gambled on the short stay for the safety car, but knew that even if they got the gamble wrong Lewis had the speed to get up to Massa anyway. They were in a no-win situation with the safety car, but with the speed Lewis had they were also in a strange sort of way in a no-lose situation.
As to why they didnt bring him in, it was all because of the tyres. 25 laps or so on the soft compound tyres and with Lewis they were pushing him right to the edge of their durability. They fell a cropper last yr on that exact thing, so it would have made sense to them to go conservative this time around. They gambled on the short stay for the safety car, but knew that even if they got the gamble wrong Lewis had the speed to get up to Massa anyway. They were in a no-win situation with the safety car, but with the speed Lewis had they were also in a strange sort of way in a no-lose situation.
but if they tried to run him on soft tyres for the whole of the last stint (safety car onwards) he would have destroyed the tyres and possibly had a puncture.....this WOULD have lost him the race.
I think they made the correwct decision. Afterall they have a lot more data than the armchairs F1 bosses on here.
I think they made the correwct decision. Afterall they have a lot more data than the armchairs F1 bosses on here.
DJC said:
Well it was pretty obvious what happened. I was doing the ironing whilst watching the race and still called it to the wife. "Macca thought they were going to have 3 laps more for Lewis than they did and give him 20 secs" were pretty much my exact words, lo and behold Ron mentions the 3 laps bit later on. All fairly obvious to me. He didnt need the 25 seconds, just 20 to get him back out there or thereabouts around Massa.
As to why they didnt bring him in, it was all because of the tyres. 25 laps or so on the soft compound tyres and with Lewis they were pushing him right to the edge of their durability. They fell a cropper last yr on that exact thing, so it would have made sense to them to go conservative this time around. They gambled on the short stay for the safety car, but knew that even if they got the gamble wrong Lewis had the speed to get up to Massa anyway. They were in a no-win situation with the safety car, but with the speed Lewis had they were also in a strange sort of way in a no-lose situation.
sorry, 3 laps would have made no difference relativly....As to why they didnt bring him in, it was all because of the tyres. 25 laps or so on the soft compound tyres and with Lewis they were pushing him right to the edge of their durability. They fell a cropper last yr on that exact thing, so it would have made sense to them to go conservative this time around. They gambled on the short stay for the safety car, but knew that even if they got the gamble wrong Lewis had the speed to get up to Massa anyway. They were in a no-win situation with the safety car, but with the speed Lewis had they were also in a strange sort of way in a no-lose situation.
he was some 12 sec's ahead at his finnal stop, and needed 20+, he was not 2.7 sec's a lap faster than Massa.
as for this tyre talk, yes I am sure they/he is harder on them, but by how much is a moot point, this year we have seen no evidence to suggest it's the problem you are making it out to be... after all, one weekends 'soft' is another weekends prime....
Edited by Scuffers on Monday 21st July 10:03
zac510 said:
Yes it's obvious what happened, everyone can see that, but the people here are arguing that it was a tactical mistake by McLaren which could potentially have lost them the race.
Well you say that, and I see where you're coming from, but I don't see it as a tactical mistake, more of a judgement call. There was the balance of risk to be assessed
- 29 laps on the soft tires which we know LH doesn't get on with due to his loose style, or
- stay out behind the SC and have 10 clear laps to jet off the front of the pack, knowing that FM is stuck behind the one stopping Renault and not showing much pace. What they didn't allow for was the SC staying out for a couple of laps longer than anticipated.
They knew with fresh soft tires after his pitstop he would be 1-2 secs per lap quicker than the rest - and knowing the excellent overtaking opportunity into the hairpin that he'd be able to get back some places.
A judgement call (albeit a risky one) not a mistake, imo
Much like the critical reviews of Silverstone, why is there an assumption that the "alternative" would have won the race? If he had shredded the back tyres by running long on the soft option, fallen off the track and got no points at all then it would hardly have been clever.
McLaren have made two very difficult calls in two races. I think they were right both times.
McLaren have made two very difficult calls in two races. I think they were right both times.
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