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FIA Decisions Wiki said:
Spy Scandal 2007 - Ferrari competition (McLaren) Punished, Ferrari non-competition (Toyota) let off. Renault also let off, but for a completely different offence. ..an offence against McLaren.
I think it was Renault that was let off but not so certain that both weren't involved.Toyota certainly didn't seem to get any FIA penalty for their F2002 (sorry TF103...)
Edited by rude-boy on Monday 8th September 11:50
rude-boy said:
FIA Decisions Wiki said:
Spy Scandal 2007 - Ferrari competition (McLaren) Punished, Ferrari non-competition (Toyota) let off. Renault also let off, but for a completely different offence. ..an offence against McLaren.
I think it was Renault that was let off but not so certain that both weren't involved.Toyota certainly didn't seem to get any FIA penalty for their F2002 (sorry TF103...)
Edited by rude-boy on Monday 8th September 11:50
rude-boy said:
FIA Decisions Wiki said:
Spy Scandal 2007 - Ferrari competition (McLaren) Punished, Ferrari non-competition (Toyota) let off. Renault also let off, but for a completely different offence. ..an offence against McLaren.
I think it was Renault that was let off but not so certain that both weren't involved.Toyota certainly didn't seem to get any FIA penalty for their FA2002 (sorry TF103...)
2. An engineer left McLaren and started with Renault the following year, taking some information with him. Although apparently taken to the extreme in this case in terms of the amount of data he took with him, the general practice is pretty much standard within F1. Renault were not punished for this.
3. I'm not familiar with the details of the Toyota:Ferrari case as to whether they got information from current employees, as with McLaren, or whether it was former employees, as with Renault.
Unfortunately people tend to bundle them all up as if they're the same thing, when the McLaren:Ferrari and Renault:McLaren incidents were not.
Edited by jamieboy on Monday 8th September 12:06
Sorry, bad use of English.
(see: I ain't not done nothing guv
)
My memory says that Renault were the ones with the MacMerc files loaded onto their computers, of this i am 99% certain. That said i am not so certain that Toyota weren't also implicated in last years fun and games, as well as their 2002/3 difficulties.
(see: I ain't not done nothing guv
)My memory says that Renault were the ones with the MacMerc files loaded onto their computers, of this i am 99% certain. That said i am not so certain that Toyota weren't also implicated in last years fun and games, as well as their 2002/3 difficulties.
jamieboy said:
rude-boy said:
FIA Decisions Wiki said:
Spy Scandal 2007 - Ferrari competition (McLaren) Punished, Ferrari non-competition (Toyota) let off. Renault also let off, but for a completely different offence. ..an offence against McLaren.
I think it was Renault that was let off but not so certain that both weren't involved.Toyota certainly didn't seem to get any FIA penalty for their FA2002 (sorry TF103...)
2. An engineer left McLaren and started with Renault the following year, taking some information with him. Although apparently taken to the extreme in this case in terms of the amount of data he took with him, the general practice is pretty much standard within F1. Renault were not punished for this.
3. I'm not familiar with the details of the Toyota:Ferrari case as to whether they got information from current employees, as with McLaren, or whether it was former employees, as with Renault.
Unfortunately people tend to bundle them all up as if they're the same thing, when the McLaren:Ferrari and Renault:McLaren incidents were not.
Toyota two got found guilty and finned etc by the courts (NON FIA)
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