Kimi is Ferrari no.2
Discussion
Surely Kimi needs to help himself before he can help Massa. I, a Ferrari fan, have found his drives a joke the last few races, he seems to be a sleep, or recovering from a hang-over, until the last 10 laps, then he's setting fastest laps.
On Sunday Hamilton breezed past him with a heavier car......what gives?
On Sunday Hamilton breezed past him with a heavier car......what gives?
E30M3SE said:
Surely Kimi needs to help himself before he can help Massa. I, a Ferrari fan, have found his drives a joke the last few races, he seems to be a sleep, or recovering from a hang-over, until the last 10 laps, then he's setting fastest laps.
On Sunday Hamilton breezed past him with a heavier car......what gives?
I'm a McLaren fan, but I think the Ferrari just wasn't working in those conditions. Kimi does seem to have gone missing in action recently though. I wonder if the Ferrari has developed in a way more suitable to Massa'a driving style that Kimi's?On Sunday Hamilton breezed past him with a heavier car......what gives?
Modern day F1 cars are more suceptible to conditions and tyre changes than ever before. Especially in the top teams. Just the same as Hamilton who was won minute ballistic then dropped off. Sme with Kimi, the car only started working towards the end which is a shame. He does though i agree need to get his act together, because he is devestating when the car and his own frame of mind are working correctly.
Kimi has lost his way recently, Massa is out qualifying him constantly. And the way he let Ham overtake on Sunday was shambolic, thats not team play, back in the good old days Schumi wouldn't have stood for that they would both have been in the barriers, Schumi was a proper team player.
BoRED S2upid said:
Kimi has lost his way recently, Massa is out qualifying him constantly. And the way he let Ham overtake on Sunday was shambolic, thats not team play, back in the good old days Schumi wouldn't have stood for that they would both have been in the barriers, Schumi was a proper team player.
Was he?I seem to remember a championship where there was a good chance of Irvine winning - all Schumacher had to do was beat hakkinen - yet it appeared that he didn't even try....
I guess schumacker was a team player as long as the team wasw playing for him to win...
jesusbuiltmycar said:
BoRED S2upid said:
Kimi has lost his way recently, Massa is out qualifying him constantly. And the way he let Ham overtake on Sunday was shambolic, thats not team play, back in the good old days Schumi wouldn't have stood for that they would both have been in the barriers, Schumi was a proper team player.
Was he?I seem to remember a championship where there was a good chance of Irvine winning - all Schumacher had to do was beat hakkinen - yet it appeared that he didn't even try....
I guess schumacker was a team player as long as the team wasw playing for him to win...
dxb335d said:
jesusbuiltmycar said:
BoRED S2upid said:
Kimi has lost his way recently, Massa is out qualifying him constantly. And the way he let Ham overtake on Sunday was shambolic, thats not team play, back in the good old days Schumi wouldn't have stood for that they would both have been in the barriers, Schumi was a proper team player.
Was he?I seem to remember a championship where there was a good chance of Irvine winning - all Schumacher had to do was beat hakkinen - yet it appeared that he didn't even try....
I guess schumacker was a team player as long as the team wasw playing for him to win...
dxb335d said:
jesusbuiltmycar said:
BoRED S2upid said:
Kimi has lost his way recently, Massa is out qualifying him constantly. And the way he let Ham overtake on Sunday was shambolic, thats not team play, back in the good old days Schumi wouldn't have stood for that they would both have been in the barriers, Schumi was a proper team player.
Was he?I seem to remember a championship where there was a good chance of Irvine winning - all Schumacher had to do was beat hakkinen - yet it appeared that he didn't even try....
I guess schumacker was a team player as long as the team wasw playing for him to win...
Irvine came home 3rd (over a minute behind) - I guess if he really wanted to be world champion he should have driven better....
It was the same year that Ferrari only had 3 tyres ready for one of Irvines pit stops
Airbag said:
dxb335d said:
Kimi could well come back and win the last four rounds (toucwood).
Although it would be wonderful to see Massa win the title in Interlagos
If they'd just put Kimi in a diesel then he'd be all over Massa. Although it would be wonderful to see Massa win the title in Interlagos
dxb335d said:
Airbag said:
dxb335d said:
Kimi could well come back and win the last four rounds (toucwood).
Although it would be wonderful to see Massa win the title in Interlagos
If they'd just put Kimi in a diesel then he'd be all over Massa. Although it would be wonderful to see Massa win the title in Interlagos
And Massa's response
Massa does not expect help from Raikkonen
F1-Live.com
To each his own, suggests Massa Felipe Massa has said he does not expect his Ferrari teammate and reigning World Champion Kimi Raikkonen to help him win the 2008 title.
"Whether I do it or not is completely separate to what Kimi or anyone else does," the Brazilian told the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag.
"I am sitting in the car, I am the one who wins races or makes mistakes. It is my game," the 27-year-old added.
Massa said his relationship with Raikkonen, nicknamed 'the Iceman', is strictly professional: "We work with each other and want Ferrari to be World Champion. But we are not friends; we have no private relationship."
"If we are together in a meeting, when it is finished he opens the door and is gone," he said.
He is much closer to Michael Schumacher, who Massa describes not as a former teammate or team advisor, but "like an older brother."
Massa said he believes he can beat Lewis Hamilton, the high-profile championship leader who drives for McLaren, to the crown.
"Otherwise I should not even be sitting in a Ferrari," he insisted.
Massa does not expect help from Raikkonen
F1-Live.com
To each his own, suggests Massa Felipe Massa has said he does not expect his Ferrari teammate and reigning World Champion Kimi Raikkonen to help him win the 2008 title.
"Whether I do it or not is completely separate to what Kimi or anyone else does," the Brazilian told the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag.
"I am sitting in the car, I am the one who wins races or makes mistakes. It is my game," the 27-year-old added.
Massa said his relationship with Raikkonen, nicknamed 'the Iceman', is strictly professional: "We work with each other and want Ferrari to be World Champion. But we are not friends; we have no private relationship."
"If we are together in a meeting, when it is finished he opens the door and is gone," he said.
He is much closer to Michael Schumacher, who Massa describes not as a former teammate or team advisor, but "like an older brother."
Massa said he believes he can beat Lewis Hamilton, the high-profile championship leader who drives for McLaren, to the crown.
"Otherwise I should not even be sitting in a Ferrari," he insisted.
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