How would the FIA cope IF...

[sjn2004]

How would the FIA cope IF certain scenario's arose. eg

- Kovalainen knocked Massa off at the first corner and Hamilton then went on to win the WDC tomorrow. Would they dream up some new rule which disqualified both McLaren's from the race?

- Massa and Hamilton go to Brazil with LH 7 points infront. During free practice Massa blows an engine and needs to change and drop 10 positions on the grid. What would the FIA dream up to get around that one?

[Airbag]

Shhhhh!
We don't want to give them any ideas!

[tomTVR]

sjn2004 said:

How would the FIA cope IF certain scenario's arose. eg

- Kovalainen knocked Massa off at the first corner and Hamilton then went on to win the WDC tomorrow. Would they dream up some new rule which disqualified both McLaren's from the race?

Even if it was very deliberate im not sure they could do anything to Hamilton, a big penalty for Kovalainen at best, at worst Mclaren being excluded from the constructors if the FIA could prove it was planned.

sjn2004 said:

- Massa and Hamilton go to Brazil with LH 7 points infront. During free practice Massa blows an engine and needs to change and drop 10 positions on the grid. What would the FIA dream up to get around that one?

Nothing, why would they?

[VladD]

tomTVR said:

sjn2004 said:

How would the FIA cope IF certain scenario's arose. eg

- Kovalainen knocked Massa off at the first corner and Hamilton then went on to win the WDC tomorrow. Would they dream up some new rule which disqualified both McLaren's from the race?

Even if it was very deliberate im not sure they could do anything to Hamilton, a big penalty for Kovalainen at best, at worst Mclaren being excluded from the constructors if the FIA could prove it was planned.

sjn2004 said:

- Massa and Hamilton go to Brazil with LH 7 points infront. During free practice Massa blows an engine and needs to change and drop 10 positions on the grid. What would the FIA dream up to get around that one?

Nothing, why would they?

Tom,

I admire your perseverence. If I was a Ferrari supporter I think I'd have given up responding to these ridiculous posts by now.

[anonymous-user]

I have to say, tom, dont you think that the fia is trying to manufacture a last race for the championship(see last year)? And although im patriotic, i do like ferraris in general, but it seems like bernie and max want the title to go all the way for viewing figures! Hey ho, never mind

[Sheaver1]

tomTVR said:

sjn2004 said:

How would the FIA cope IF certain scenario's arose. eg

- Kovalainen knocked Massa off at the first corner and Hamilton then went on to win the WDC tomorrow. Would they dream up some new rule which disqualified both McLaren's from the race?

Even if it was very deliberate im not sure they could do anything to Hamilton, a big penalty for Kovalainen at best, at worst Mclaren being excluded from the constructors if the FIA could prove it was planned.

sjn2004 said:

- Massa and Hamilton go to Brazil with LH 7 points infront. During free practice Massa blows an engine and needs to change and drop 10 positions on the grid. What would the FIA dream up to get around that one?

Nothing, why would they?

I'm actually with you on this one, Tom

[mike360]

What would happen should Kimi
smash into hamilton in brazil giving him a DNF, and massa winning the WDC could the fia then DQ massa

[10 Pence Short]

mike360 said:

What would happen should Kimi
smash into hamilton in brazil giving him a DNF, and massa winning the WDC could the fia then DQ massa

Nothing.

Well, if it was thought deliberate, Kimi would be excluded from the Championship this year.

Massa would still win the WDC assuming the FIA could find no evidence that team orders caused it.

[mike360]

10 Pence Short said:

mike360 said:

What would happen should Kimi
smash into hamilton in brazil giving him a DNF, and massa winning the WDC could the fia then DQ massa

Nothing.

Well, if it was thought deliberate, Kimi would be excluded from the Championship this year.

Massa would still win the WDC assuming the FIA could find no evidence that team orders caused it.

sounds like something Mr Luca Di Montezemola , would think was worth doing seeing as kimi has nothing to loose, some quiet talks behind the garage and i'm sure it would go undettected although would kimi go to that level?

[flemke]

10 Pence Short said:

mike360 said:

What would happen should Kimi
smash into hamilton in brazil giving him a DNF, and massa winning the WDC could the fia then DQ massa

Nothing.

Well, if it was thought deliberate, Kimi would be excluded from the Championship this year.

Massa would still win the WDC assuming the FIA could find no evidence that team orders caused it.

A more effective, and still applicable, penalty would be to exclude the offender from the Championship next year. The prospect of a year on the sidelines, without pay, would concentrate the mind of both the driver and the team.

[Sheaver1]

mike360 said:

10 Pence Short said:

mike360 said:

What would happen should Kimi
smash into hamilton in brazil giving him a DNF, and massa winning the WDC could the fia then DQ massa

Nothing.

Well, if it was thought deliberate, Kimi would be excluded from the Championship this year.

Massa would still win the WDC assuming the FIA could find no evidence that team orders caused it.

sounds like something Mr Luca Di Montezemola , would think was worth doing seeing as kimi has nothing to loose, some quiet talks behind the garage and i'm sure it would go undettected although would kimi go to that level?

Although I'm not that fond of Kimi, I think he is a decent and fair driver, and would never agree to doing something like that.

[Murph7355]

flemke said:

A more effective, and still applicable, penalty would be to exclude the offender from the Championship next year. The prospect of a year on the sidelines, without pay, would concentrate the mind of both the driver and the team.

Perhaps not.

If we were to be real conspiracy theorists, what if:

a) the team had a suitably top notch driver waiting in the wings to cover the base?

b) the driver taking a "rest" were remunerated in some other way...?

I really hope, one way or the other, that the race in Brazil is free of any contact, mechanical maladies and dubious overtaking/pit issues etc. But somehow I doubt it will be.

[EDLT]

sjn2004 said:

- Massa and Hamilton go to Brazil with LH 7 points infront. During free practice Massa blows an engine and needs to change and drop 10 positions on the grid. What would the FIA dream up to get around that one?

You get one free engine change per season, and I don't think Massa has used his yet.

[german tony]

A. You can't change in the last race of the season & B. He's used it anyway.

[Cara Van Man]

Lets all hope that no such scenarios arise and the stewards do not need to become involved.

And definitely no silly court cases in Paris either.

[tomTVR]

VladD said:

Tom,

I admire your perseverence. If I was a Ferrari supporter I think I'd have given up responding to these ridiculous posts by now.

Good point, im not even sure myself. Perhaps its just some sort of moral crusade

[jeff666]

tomTVR said:

VladD said:

Tom,

I admire your perseverence. If I was a Ferrari supporter I think I'd have given up responding to these ridiculous posts by now.

Good point, im not even sure myself. Perhaps its just some sort of moral crusade

moral crusade !!!! more like a medical condition

[mchammer89]

jeff666 said:

tomTVR said:

VladD said:

Tom,

I admire your perseverence. If I was a Ferrari supporter I think I'd have given up responding to these ridiculous posts by now.

Good point, im not even sure myself. Perhaps its just some sort of moral crusade

moral crusade !!!! more like a medical condition

Little harsh considering what he's said is perfectly reasonable, don't you think?

[Stuismyname]

Murph7355 said:

flemke said:

A more effective, and still applicable, penalty would be to exclude the offender from the Championship next year. The prospect of a year on the sidelines, without pay, would concentrate the mind of both the driver and the team.

Perhaps not.

If we were to be real conspiracy theorists, what if:

a) the team had a suitably top notch driver waiting in the wings to cover the base?

b) the driver taking a "rest" were remunerated in some other way...?

Still wouldn't happen. If you were Raikkonen, would you take the risk of a year on the sofa - particularly the year you might have wanted to come back and prove you weren't a lucky one WDC wonder, and let a Vettel, or a young GP2 hero, take your seat and drive up a storm for 10-20% of your salary?

I think not. Kimi won't do it. But I would not dream of saying that LDM wouldn't suggest it to him.

[skinny]

a bit off topic, but can i just say that donelly really needs to go.

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/170807-0/d...

in his defence of ferrari bias, he cites the example where at monaco, a ferrari was not fitted with wheels at the 3 minute mark - so they penalised kimi with a drive through. however, this is one of the few infringements that actually has a specific penalty - which is to start from the back of the grid.

Edited by skinny on Tuesday 21st October 15:31