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I reckon this single engine supplier thing could work really well if the FIA say that anyone is allowed to develop their own engine, but if you want to buy one it has to come from one place.
The proviso being that the 'one place' is NOT one of the current F1 engine manufacturers, and whomever ends up providing the motor is not allowed to become a team while they're an engine supplier.
The proviso being that the 'one place' is NOT one of the current F1 engine manufacturers, and whomever ends up providing the motor is not allowed to become a team while they're an engine supplier.
Airbag said:
Link? Nothing on the BBC sport website yet.
Here's onehttp://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAn...
billynomates said:
Airbag said:
Link? Nothing on the BBC sport website yet.
Here's onehttp://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAn...
MrKipling43 said:
I reckon this single engine supplier thing could work really well if the FIA say that anyone is allowed to develop their own engine, but if you want to buy one it has to come from one place.
That's sort of what they're offering, but I guess they would heavily limit the 'develop' part to as little as possible, otherwise the gain of moving to a single engine supply would be next to nil..Translated - "if you don't choose us as the the single engine provider we'll leave".
Now we will see whether the FIA is run by men or mice.
It's a stupid plan plotted by someone who clearly wants to devalue F1 and gain further control over it. I wonder if Bernie is starting to realise what Herr Mosley's agenda is.
Now we will see whether the FIA is run by men or mice.
It's a stupid plan plotted by someone who clearly wants to devalue F1 and gain further control over it. I wonder if Bernie is starting to realise what Herr Mosley's agenda is.
A hollow threat by ferrari designed to put the fear of god in the fia. Formula 1 without ferrari is not formala 1. Max knows it, bernie knows is and ferrari know it..
I think we can now safely say there wont be a single engine supplier in 2010.
I think we can now safely say there wont be a single engine supplier in 2010.
Edited by philis on Monday 27th October 19:17
Now on Autosport http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71786
Autosport.com said:
Ferrari in quit threat over standard engine
Ferrari have issued a bombshell warning that they will reconsider their participation in Formula One if the FIA presses ahead with the introduction of a standard engine.
On a day when the FIA confirmed it was still pushing on with its plans to introduce standard engines in F1, Ferrari became the second team to publicly threaten to withdraw from the sport if the concept goes ahead.
In a statement issued following a board meeting at Ferrari's Maranello headquarters, the team made it clear that it did not believe the move to standard powerplants was right for F1.
"Whilst reiterating its wholehearted commitment to a substantial and needed reduction in costs in Formula 1, starting with propulsion, the Ferrari Board of Directors expressed strong concerns regarding plans to standardise engines as it felt that such a move would detract from the entire raison of a sport with which Ferrari has been involved continuously since 1950, a raison d'etre based principally on competition and technological development," said the statement.
"The Board of Directors expressed the opinion that should these key elements be diminished, it would have to re-evaluate, with its partners the viability of continuing its presence in the sport."
Ferrari's statement came less than an hour after Toyota team president John Howett told autosport.com that the Japanese manufacturer would almost certainly be out of F1 if the standard engine idea went ahead. Howett also suggested that other manufacturers would follow suit.
""I think you will see manufacturers potentially leaving F1 if there is a standard engine," Howett told autosport.com. "I don't think any of the manufacturers want a homogenized engine. I think the outcome depends partially on the FIA and the World Motor Sport Council, and whether they have a mind to press through with the idea."
The FIA has already opened the tender for the supply of standard engines from 2010 to 2012, with the governing body claiming several 'interested parties' had expressed an interest in applying for the deal.
Although it has widely been talked about that manufacturers would withdraw from F1 if the standard engine idea went through, Ferrari's decision to go public with their quit threat is a major development - as the Italian manufacturer have previously shied away from such dramatic statements.
It comes with Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo heading the Formula One Teams' Association's (FOTA) effort to coordinate with the FIA a package of rules changes
Ferrari have issued a bombshell warning that they will reconsider their participation in Formula One if the FIA presses ahead with the introduction of a standard engine.
On a day when the FIA confirmed it was still pushing on with its plans to introduce standard engines in F1, Ferrari became the second team to publicly threaten to withdraw from the sport if the concept goes ahead.
In a statement issued following a board meeting at Ferrari's Maranello headquarters, the team made it clear that it did not believe the move to standard powerplants was right for F1.
"Whilst reiterating its wholehearted commitment to a substantial and needed reduction in costs in Formula 1, starting with propulsion, the Ferrari Board of Directors expressed strong concerns regarding plans to standardise engines as it felt that such a move would detract from the entire raison of a sport with which Ferrari has been involved continuously since 1950, a raison d'etre based principally on competition and technological development," said the statement.
"The Board of Directors expressed the opinion that should these key elements be diminished, it would have to re-evaluate, with its partners the viability of continuing its presence in the sport."
Ferrari's statement came less than an hour after Toyota team president John Howett told autosport.com that the Japanese manufacturer would almost certainly be out of F1 if the standard engine idea went ahead. Howett also suggested that other manufacturers would follow suit.
""I think you will see manufacturers potentially leaving F1 if there is a standard engine," Howett told autosport.com. "I don't think any of the manufacturers want a homogenized engine. I think the outcome depends partially on the FIA and the World Motor Sport Council, and whether they have a mind to press through with the idea."
The FIA has already opened the tender for the supply of standard engines from 2010 to 2012, with the governing body claiming several 'interested parties' had expressed an interest in applying for the deal.
Although it has widely been talked about that manufacturers would withdraw from F1 if the standard engine idea went through, Ferrari's decision to go public with their quit threat is a major development - as the Italian manufacturer have previously shied away from such dramatic statements.
It comes with Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo heading the Formula One Teams' Association's (FOTA) effort to coordinate with the FIA a package of rules changes
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/...
I can't help but think this is a challenge to Mosley. Ferrari will not be interested in competing in super Forumla Ferrari.
Stephan Domiwhatsit is not Todt. I think he sees this new formula as a threat to Ferrari's interests whichever way it goes. Power struggles are going on and the reappearance of Todt around the Ferrari pits is not a good sign. FOCA's willingness to have the Ferrari CEO as their mouthpiece speaks volumes.
I wish I could see all the undercurrents. But I hope my impression of Mosley becomming isolated is correct.
I've never been so worried about the future of my sport as I am now.
I'm resigned to seeing the Williams team go before 2010 together with Ron Dennis. Toyota say they can't afford to stay. Renault don't look too good, Mercedes will go I think if Mosley's 2010 complete change goes ahead and BMW might not see the point in remaining. That's F1 down the toilet.
I can't help but think this is a challenge to Mosley. Ferrari will not be interested in competing in super Forumla Ferrari.
Stephan Domiwhatsit is not Todt. I think he sees this new formula as a threat to Ferrari's interests whichever way it goes. Power struggles are going on and the reappearance of Todt around the Ferrari pits is not a good sign. FOCA's willingness to have the Ferrari CEO as their mouthpiece speaks volumes.
I wish I could see all the undercurrents. But I hope my impression of Mosley becomming isolated is correct.
I've never been so worried about the future of my sport as I am now.
I'm resigned to seeing the Williams team go before 2010 together with Ron Dennis. Toyota say they can't afford to stay. Renault don't look too good, Mercedes will go I think if Mosley's 2010 complete change goes ahead and BMW might not see the point in remaining. That's F1 down the toilet.
It wouldn't be a bad thing in my view.
The impetus would still be there, but you would get diversification and cross pollination that is just missing from F1 these days.
It's like cutting a bush off at the base. Next year it's back, but smaller and better formed. There is just no way that the root would allow the spirit of the plant to die.
There was no F1 during the war, and TBH a few years without it might do everybody some good.
The impetus would still be there, but you would get diversification and cross pollination that is just missing from F1 these days.
It's like cutting a bush off at the base. Next year it's back, but smaller and better formed. There is just no way that the root would allow the spirit of the plant to die.
There was no F1 during the war, and TBH a few years without it might do everybody some good.
Edited by dilbert on Monday 27th October 19:50
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