If you were head of the FIA
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Seeing as F1 is potentially on the brink of disaster, what would you do right now?
Personally I'd delay KERS right now, as much as I think the sport needs to address this in the long term, a delay for at least a year (and it would be tempting to say two years) is more of a pressing need. The rest of the regs would stay - designs are too far down the road now and won't be as expensive.
Engine and gearbox regs frozen and a ban on testing, aside from Friday running at GPs. It would also be tempting to consider an aero development freeze or at least restrictions. Whilst it would be nice to keep the cars identical from the first race until the last, this can mean one team has the potential to steal a march on its competitors. And I'd guarantee rules stability for at least two seasons, allowing 2009 cars to be used in 2010.
I'd also want to ensure that a large slice of the money goes to the teams and not servicing CVC's debts.
Personally I'd delay KERS right now, as much as I think the sport needs to address this in the long term, a delay for at least a year (and it would be tempting to say two years) is more of a pressing need. The rest of the regs would stay - designs are too far down the road now and won't be as expensive.
Engine and gearbox regs frozen and a ban on testing, aside from Friday running at GPs. It would also be tempting to consider an aero development freeze or at least restrictions. Whilst it would be nice to keep the cars identical from the first race until the last, this can mean one team has the potential to steal a march on its competitors. And I'd guarantee rules stability for at least two seasons, allowing 2009 cars to be used in 2010.
I'd also want to ensure that a large slice of the money goes to the teams and not servicing CVC's debts.
kevin ritson said:
Seeing as F1 is potentially on the brink of disaster, what would you do right now?
Personally I'd delay KERS right now, as much as I think the sport needs to address this in the long term, a delay for at least a year (and it would be tempting to say two years) is more of a pressing need. The rest of the regs would stay - designs are too far down the road now and won't be as expensive.
Engine and gearbox regs frozen and a ban on testing, aside from Friday running at GPs. It would also be tempting to consider an aero development freeze or at least restrictions. Whilst it would be nice to keep the cars identical from the first race until the last, this can mean one team has the potential to steal a march on its competitors. And I'd guarantee rules stability for at least two seasons, allowing 2009 cars to be used in 2010.
I'd also want to ensure that a large slice of the money goes to the teams and not servicing CVC's debts.
I believe that FOTA will be making a unified representation to the honourable members of the World Motor Sport Council at their December meeting.Personally I'd delay KERS right now, as much as I think the sport needs to address this in the long term, a delay for at least a year (and it would be tempting to say two years) is more of a pressing need. The rest of the regs would stay - designs are too far down the road now and won't be as expensive.
Engine and gearbox regs frozen and a ban on testing, aside from Friday running at GPs. It would also be tempting to consider an aero development freeze or at least restrictions. Whilst it would be nice to keep the cars identical from the first race until the last, this can mean one team has the potential to steal a march on its competitors. And I'd guarantee rules stability for at least two seasons, allowing 2009 cars to be used in 2010.
I'd also want to ensure that a large slice of the money goes to the teams and not servicing CVC's debts.
If I were head of FIA, the first thing I'd do - and in Mosley's case this would probably be the first time in 17 years that he had done it - would be to listen to what the teams had to say.
They're not going to be unanimous about everything, and for years Mosley's primary tactic has been to take advantage of that fact to divide and rule. However, it seems that, finally, the teams have so much in common that they are generally putting aside their differences in order to keep the sport intact. The main obstacle to the sport's health has been Mosley, and now, more than ever, is the time for him to shut up and listen.
kevin ritson said:
Seeing as F1 is potentially on the brink of disaster, what would you do right now?
Personally I'd delay KERS right now, as much as I think the sport needs to address this in the long term, a delay for at least a year (and it would be tempting to say two years) is more of a pressing need. The rest of the regs would stay - designs are too far down the road now and won't be as expensive.
Engine and gearbox regs frozen and a ban on testing, aside from Friday running at GPs. It would also be tempting to consider an aero development freeze or at least restrictions. Whilst it would be nice to keep the cars identical from the first race until the last, this can mean one team has the potential to steal a march on its competitors. And I'd guarantee rules stability for at least two seasons, allowing 2009 cars to be used in 2010.
I'd also want to ensure that a large slice of the money goes to the teams and not servicing CVC's debts.
Sadly the KERS boat sailed too long ago for a delay to make any financial sense. The teams have all spent the money now, so delaying it would just cost more for them to adapt the cars design philosophies and systems to remove it Personally I'd delay KERS right now, as much as I think the sport needs to address this in the long term, a delay for at least a year (and it would be tempting to say two years) is more of a pressing need. The rest of the regs would stay - designs are too far down the road now and won't be as expensive.
Engine and gearbox regs frozen and a ban on testing, aside from Friday running at GPs. It would also be tempting to consider an aero development freeze or at least restrictions. Whilst it would be nice to keep the cars identical from the first race until the last, this can mean one team has the potential to steal a march on its competitors. And I'd guarantee rules stability for at least two seasons, allowing 2009 cars to be used in 2010.
I'd also want to ensure that a large slice of the money goes to the teams and not servicing CVC's debts.
Frankly it was misguided when it was first introduced, even more so now. The few brownie points they may pick up as a result of introducing 'green' technology have been massively offset by a perceived waste of huge amounts of money in difficult economic times.Engines and gearboxes were, supposedly, frozen at the end of 2007 (I think - or was it 2006).... Seems that worked well then.... Another opportunity missed.
Aero freeze - again, many teams have already massively invested in wind tunnel infrastructure so the only cost saving (at the risk of not allowing teams to dig themselves out of an uncompetitive hole) would be from an environmental perspective in terms of the energy saved. But these days people are more worried about economy rather than ecology.
As for funds going to the teams rather than CVC, the only way that's going to happen is when CVC folds because the teams refuse to participate due to cost, return on investment, etc. Much like Honda seem to be saying now....
Also agree with Flemke's comments - now is not the time for the FIA to try and win any points through posturing and politics - now is the time to STFU and listen for a change. Sadly I'm not holding my breath on this one
Bernie and Max are sorted - regardless of loosing 25% of their net worth in the last few months, those guys together could probably bail out the UK national debt ( slight exageration)
But F1 is over is it's present format.
Sponsors are going to bail
BMW are next.
Renault haven't sold are car for 6 months
and Ferarri are not far behind
I'm sure there's a s
t load of negotiations going on at the momentBut if Honda are going to announce the team is for sell tomorrow morning (eg - we're off), then that will open the stable door for every sponsor to jump ship.
Nick M said:
Also agree with Flemke's comments - now is not the time for the FIA to try and win any points through posturing and politics - now is the time to STFU and listen for a change. Sadly I'm not holding my breath on this one
Although, come to think of it, Mosley might get quite enthusiastic about the prospect of his being tied up and gagged.woof said:
Bernie and Max are sorted - regardless of loosing 25% of their net worth in the last few months, those guys together could probably bail out the UK national debt ( slight exageration)
But F1 is over is it's present format.
Sponsors are going to bail
BMW are next.
Renault haven't sold are car for 6 months
and Ferarri are not far behind
I'm sure there's a st load of negotiations going on at the moment
But if Honda are going to announce the team is for sell tomorrow morning (eg - we're off), then that will open the stable door for every sponsor to jump ship.
I don't see BMW being at risk just yet. They seem to subscribe to the old Ford adage of "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" in that they are a proper racing outfit who, hopefully, will be in with a shout of being competitive next year. Only if they totally tank in 2009 can I see stern questions being asked about their continued participation. Bear in mind that a well-run F1 team which does well can be largely self-financing without needing to be a massive draw on the parent company's resources.But F1 is over is it's present format.
Sponsors are going to bail
BMW are next.
Renault haven't sold are car for 6 months
and Ferarri are not far behind
I'm sure there's a s
t load of negotiations going on at the momentBut if Honda are going to announce the team is for sell tomorrow morning (eg - we're off), then that will open the stable door for every sponsor to jump ship.
Honda are, as I see it, slightly different in that they don't have a title sponsor, hence they're wearing all of the cost. The other teams will only start to get twitchy about sponsors when existing contracts come to a conclusion, but then they need to take the decision about whether to say goodbye to company X, or drop their demands in terms of budget in order to retain title sponsors.
I also think there's more that can be done in terms of leveraging off each team's sponsorship by taking advantage of potential links which benefit each party, e.g. Red Bull tying up with, say, Smirnoff
woof said:
If I was the head of the FIA
I'd have a huge smile on my face while my nazi prostitutes were spanking me hard!
Seriously, he needs to quit, Max 'the spank' Moseley and so to the wealthy midget who's taking everyone in the sport for a ride. let's hope his ex takes him to the cleaners and leaves him with nothing!
I'd have a huge smile on my face while my nazi prostitutes were spanking me hard!
Seriously, he needs to quit, Max 'the spank' Moseley and so to the wealthy midget who's taking everyone in the sport for a ride. let's hope his ex takes him to the cleaners and leaves him with nothing!
Just heard Max on the news. His response is to say "it's worrying, clearly the teams need to do something about it"...
So much for leadership then...what he should have said, IMHO of course, is something like "we have a meeting on .... to discuss the way forward and we all need to work together to secure the future of the sport" Today's statement sounded like he was washing his hands of the whole thing.
So much for leadership then...what he should have said, IMHO of course, is something like "we have a meeting on .... to discuss the way forward and we all need to work together to secure the future of the sport" Today's statement sounded like he was washing his hands of the whole thing.
kevin ritson said:
Just heard Max on the news. His response is to say "it's worrying, clearly the teams need to do something about it"...
So much for leadership then...what he should have said, IMHO of course, is something like "we have a meeting on .... to discuss the way forward and we all need to work together to secure the future of the sport" Today's statement sounded like he was washing his hands of the whole thing.
Yes I thought it was a little odd. Not "lets work on this" but more "Ah HA. See I told you fSo much for leadership then...what he should have said, IMHO of course, is something like "we have a meeting on .... to discuss the way forward and we all need to work together to secure the future of the sport" Today's statement sounded like he was washing his hands of the whole thing.
kers this was going to happen. Muahahahahah"Dear Max,
Do your job eh!
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It's not only Mosley who is in denial. The link is to an article entitled "F1 will survive says Ecclestone". This leaves us wondering if F1 will survive Ecclestone and Mosley.
Typical of Mosley to pass the buck. He's been in total control, ignoring the concord agreement when he felt like it and now all of a sudden it's the teams who have run the sport into the ground.
It's almost as if he wanted the manufacturers out of the sport.
It's not only Mosley who is in denial. The link is to an article entitled "F1 will survive says Ecclestone". This leaves us wondering if F1 will survive Ecclestone and Mosley.
Typical of Mosley to pass the buck. He's been in total control, ignoring the concord agreement when he felt like it and now all of a sudden it's the teams who have run the sport into the ground.
It's almost as if he wanted the manufacturers out of the sport.
Derek Smith said:
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It's not only Mosley who is in denial. The link is to an article entitled "F1 will survive says Ecclestone". This leaves us wondering if F1 will survive Ecclestone and Mosley.
Typical of Mosley to pass the buck. He's been in total control, ignoring the concord agreement when he felt like it and now all of a sudden it's the teams who have run the sport into the ground.
It's almost as if he wanted the manufacturers out of the sport.
I'm not sure what would keep them in - unless they have sponsors who insist.It's not only Mosley who is in denial. The link is to an article entitled "F1 will survive says Ecclestone". This leaves us wondering if F1 will survive Ecclestone and Mosley.
Typical of Mosley to pass the buck. He's been in total control, ignoring the concord agreement when he felt like it and now all of a sudden it's the teams who have run the sport into the ground.
It's almost as if he wanted the manufacturers out of the sport.
In the long run. This could be good. The money being spent will have to come down. Which when things start to pick up again should allow smaller teams to have a pop at whatever series is the top one at the time.
We might actually get back to large grids, just with slower and cheaper cars.
We might actually get back to large grids, just with slower and cheaper cars.
I'd be saying, 'now will you fking listen?'. On a slightly more serious note I think that the teams (FOTA) and the FIA are probably working more closely together than we may be giving them credit for...
We may not get their motives for a lot of the things that go on (and that goes for the teams as well as the FIA) but they are all passionate about F1, nobody wants teams to go.
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king listen?'. On a slightly more serious note I think that the teams (FOTA) and the FIA are probably working more closely together than we may be giving them credit for...We may not get their motives for a lot of the things that go on (and that goes for the teams as well as the FIA) but they are all passionate about F1, nobody wants teams to go.
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