Button's got a seat at Toro Rosso, if he wants it...
Button's got a seat at Toro Rosso, if he wants it...
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MrKipling43

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5,788 posts

245 months

Altrezia

8,741 posts

240 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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Cool - come on Jens - better car than the Honda!

dpbird90

5,535 posts

219 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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He could do worse, and Vettel has already proved what STR can actually do, so Jens could be onto a winner there...

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

246 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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I'm not convinced Torro Rosso will be anywhere near, next season.

Their car did well when mechanical grip was needed, and the Renault engine issues harmed Red Bull, this year.

Next year means the teams are going to have to be very good at adapting to the new tyres and aero and, along with Berger's departure and the concreting of their position as Red Bull's junior, I can't see them getting the same results as last season.

If I was Button I'd hang around and see what happens with the Honda team, because they might have produced something good, before trying to move elswhere.

Dr KT

398 posts

231 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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If he can join STR, and prove himself, he will be fine.

If joins STR and under performs in an average car then its game over.

Come on Button! Join STR and do well.


rallycross

13,749 posts

266 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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Hmm, and if he goes to STR he will probably have an inexperienced rookie team mate so he can just scrape through for another year, how does he manage it?

onemorelap

694 posts

260 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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Will Button's driving style suit the 09 regs though? His style is reputed to Prost like in it's smoothness.

So will this smoother driving style suit the new cars and tyres better or will a more agressive "get the back moving around" style ala Hamilton, Raikonen etc prove more effective?

Personally i hope it's the latter, it's far more exciting to watch thumbup

Gillet

639 posts

238 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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Rallycross - i'm assuming you've only been watching F1 for the last 2 years, because prior to that he outshone his team mates like a beacon in the wilderness, just look at the 2004/2005 seasons, oh and 2006.

I'm not his biggest fan, but the man has skill, look at his Wiki page to see his accomplishments.

I hope he does join STR, but agree, if he under performs he is in big trouble, i really see him as a man that just never really got a chance(through his fault or the cars i don't know) to show his true potential.

RacerMDR

5,582 posts

239 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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what a really difficult desision for the chap.

Stay with Honda (if its sold) and risk being in a rubbish team.
Leave Honda after all that effort, see it pick up and Jenson has committed to another second rate team
Go to STR - which are a supposed to be second team, and shine but still never get another chance.

I don't know all the ins and outs but that is a toughy. If another team pulls plug - and maybe we get three car teams? That would cause a huge reshuffle- fingers crossed he would pick up a good seat in that situation.

On the one hand - I think he has done enough to earn respect and then go onto other things with his head held high

On the other side - it would be such a shame if he never got a top drive to show what he can do.


sniff diesel

13,125 posts

241 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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Got to be a better bet than the Honda.

DSM2

3,624 posts

229 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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sniff diesel said:
Got to be a better bet than the Honda.
Why's that then? What do you know about next year's cars?

Nick M

3,632 posts

252 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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DSM2 said:
sniff diesel said:
Got to be a better bet than the Honda.
Why's that then? What do you know about next year's cars?
The car might be great, but is there really a chance that the team will be funded at anything like the level it would need to be in order to produce, and more importantly continue to develop, a competitive car ??

What would be so, so disappointing is if, in about June, there was an announcement that the (replace new team name here) team were suspending develop of their 2009 car to focus on 2010....

Carbon-Me1

451 posts

226 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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Thats a great offer.

It'll be the best oppurtunity so far to prove himself. As already stated Vettel has proven the car and he is tough competition!

stephen300o

15,464 posts

257 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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onemorelap said:
Will Button's driving style suit the 09 regs though? His style is reputed to Prost like in it's smoothness.

So will this smoother driving style suit the new cars and tyres better or will a more agressive "get the back moving around" style ala Hamilton, Raikonen etc prove more effective?

Personally i hope it's the latter, it's far more exciting to watch thumbup
Well it didn't suit this years car either, or last years biggrin(fyi, still my fav brit driver though)

DSM2

3,624 posts

229 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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Nick M said:
DSM2 said:
sniff diesel said:
Got to be a better bet than the Honda.
Why's that then? What do you know about next year's cars?
The car might be great, but is there really a chance that the team will be funded at anything like the level it would need to be in order to produce, and more importantly continue to develop, a competitive car ??

What would be so, so disappointing is if, in about June, there was an announcement that the (replace new team name here) team were suspending develop of their 2009 car to focus on 2010....
Well, at least yours is a rational comment, though it could equally apply to other teams out there.

EDLT

15,421 posts

235 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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Don't Torro Rosso use Ferrari engines? Thats got to be a better than sticking with Honda, Button could score points next season!

phumy

5,827 posts

266 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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EDLT said:
Don't Torro Rosso use Ferrari engines? Thats got to be a better than sticking with Honda, Button could score points next season!
Honda may end up with a Ferrari engine next year whistle

EDLT

15,421 posts

235 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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phumy said:
EDLT said:
Don't Torro Rosso use Ferrari engines? Thats got to be a better than sticking with Honda, Button could score points next season!
Honda may end up with a Ferrari engine next year whistle
But with less development time, so if Button got himself a test drive with Torro Rosso he could directly compare both cars and take his pick. How often does anyone get to do that?

toomuchbeer

877 posts

237 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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Isn't STR also up for sale? Aren't they in the same position of not having a title sponsor. I'm sure Red Bull aren't going to sell and keep sponsoring a second team.

Button has a very big choice to make. Stay with Honda and keep his fingers crossed it does sell, or go to STR, drive for a year, then find himself in exaclty the same position this time next year.

If it was me (and I wish it was), I would try and stay, but have a go in the STR just to see.

The budget changes may be brought in sooner to try and safe guard the other places on the grid, allowing the likes of a reowned Honda to survive.

I keep thinking STR could be a very bad move, afterall their not manufacturers of there own car, and that could be trouble at the end of 2009.

Either way, I hope that button is on the grid next year, in something that can give him good results, then onwards to a McLaren seat to partner Lewis in 2010.

lewis1

311 posts

217 months

Monday 8th December 2008
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red bull have bought torro rosso back in full and are commited to running it for atleast the next year or two.