My money is on .... Dave Richards
My money is on .... Dave Richards
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woof

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8,456 posts

306 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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Reading between the lines I think Dave Richards has been waiting in the wings to take the ex Honda reins.

The team have paid for the Merc engine - deposit paid and duly fitted to the chassis. Nice tie in with the Mclaren B Team that DR was going to be involved with.

Nick Fry is out and that I'm sure that signals the return of Richards.

Personally I think Brawn and Richards will make a hell of a team smile


zac510

5,546 posts

235 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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Is that the only evidence you have to support this claim?

I suppose people put money on horses with less biggrin

woof

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8,456 posts

306 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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well i really hope that this works out

Branson is a total joke - PR stunt as per usual (though i totally respect the guy - and a very nice chaps as well)

Bernie part owning the team was bad news for everyone

Dave Richards - proven credentials - time and money on his hands and with the best F1 tactician with Ross Brawn.

btw - the deal is done with Merc - well at least for the first race and the deposit - so fingers crossed smile



stifler

37,069 posts

217 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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I hope that you are right. I feel it would be best for the team.

The best bit of news that you have written there is that Nick Fry is definitly out.

Do you have insider knowledge? You sound pretty sure about this.

german tony

2,000 posts

237 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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There's some gossip on Pitpass to the efect that Fry has been shown the door & Richards is in.

belleair302

7,008 posts

236 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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Dave Richards does not have enough cash to keep Aston martin going, his Prodrive operation is not exactly a cash cow and he will not be buying any more motorsport packages with borrowed cash.

My prediction is Honda will close the whole operation down. A shame but they have mis managed that team from start to finish.

Until F1 costs become reasonable....and teams stop taking 120 people to each GP and spending millions on hotels etc the whole circus is unattractive to investors.

The money being spent on CFD simulation, wind tunnels and trackside engineers being paid £300K is outrageous when the cars cannot overtake and offer very little to those interested in racing craft.

As a technology showcase the Honda team was a joke, as an engineering facility their HQ does have value....but to whom??

FourWheelDrift

92,293 posts

313 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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woof said:
Branson is a total joke - PR stunt as per usual (though i totally respect the guy - and a very nice chaps as well)
He is/was never going to buy in, Virgin still own all the leases on the Zavvi stores so no more Zavvi and they get lumbered with all the rents if they aren't occupied. No airline business is flush at the moment and Necker Island always needs some cash reserves each year for the upcoming Hurricane season, just in case. Plus there's Virgin Galactic as well. I think he only did it for the publicity too.

Holst

2,468 posts

250 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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My money is on a complete closure.

Its getting far too late in the day, Honda have gone through the motions of trying to sell. There are no serious buyers who have the money to make a go of it.

Goodbye Honda F1

castrolcraig

18,073 posts

235 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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rumour from bracknell today that the HRF1 trucks seen heading towards dover last week were in fact the teams trucks heading testing, with merc engined cars aboard!!!

same source says DR has done the deal.

german tony

2,000 posts

237 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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F1 has always been about outspending your rivals - why change it?

Those that can't afford to play with the big boys can go & do something else.


egomeister

7,598 posts

292 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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castrolcraig said:
rumour from bracknell today that the HRF1 trucks seen heading towards dover last week were in fact the teams trucks heading testing, with merc engined cars aboard!!!

same source says DR has done the deal.
I doubt they were off testing, unless it was a very secret test...

Trucks will be leaving in the next day or so for testing next week, so unless they've been parked up in a european lay-by for a few days I doubt they were heading down to Spain!

Hut49

3,544 posts

291 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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castrolcraig said:
rumour from bracknell today that the HRF1 trucks seen heading towards dover last week were in fact the teams trucks heading testing, with merc engined cars aboard!!!

same source says DR has done the deal.
I'm a glass half-full kinda guy so I'm with Castrolcraig. If this was going headlong into the buffers then a bunch of very smart people would have been outa there some time ago (what's the point in staying?). It's been too quiet, no real media action, so folks are convinced they've got a future and realize that they've got to get a really good car together. So I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Richards has been co-opted onto the management team as a requirement of someone who's putting in a lot of money - I still reckon Ecclestone's going to end up with at least a part of the equity and I suspect the real bank-roller will be a close friend of his. Under that scenario there's no room for Fry and as previously stated Richards Brawn must be close to a dream ticket for a new F1 team.

egomeister

7,598 posts

292 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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Hut49 said:
castrolcraig said:
rumour from bracknell today that the HRF1 trucks seen heading towards dover last week were in fact the teams trucks heading testing, with merc engined cars aboard!!!

same source says DR has done the deal.
I'm a glass half-full kinda guy so I'm with Castrolcraig. If this was going headlong into the buffers then a bunch of very smart people would have been outa there some time ago (what's the point in staying?). It's been too quiet, no real media action, so folks are convinced they've got a future and realize that they've got to get a really good car together. So I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Richards has been co-opted onto the management team as a requirement of someone who's putting in a lot of money - I still reckon Ecclestone's going to end up with at least a part of the equity and I suspect the real bank-roller will be a close friend of his. Under that scenario there's no room for Fry and as previously stated Richards Brawn must be close to a dream ticket for a new F1 team.
I think a big part of why people have stayed put is that they've been offered a decent deal should the team shut up shop (particularly if they've been there a few years), plus there aren't many jobs out there at the moment.

I do think that a deal has been done and we will be seeing a car shortly, probably not next test but the following one at Barcelona. I'm sure whatever has happened it will have been facilitated by Bernie!

skeggysteve

5,724 posts

246 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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woof said:
Bernie part owning the team was bad news for everyone
Bernie has given money to many teams over the years, he even owned [MW on] McLaren [MW off] Brabham for a good few years.

Not sure about he Honda thing, I've read/heard nothing solid about them being on the grid in Aus but apparently they are all geared up to go testing.

I really hope they don't close, F1 needs more teams not less.

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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egomeister said:
castrolcraig said:
rumour from bracknell today that the HRF1 trucks seen heading towards dover last week were in fact the teams trucks heading testing, with merc engined cars aboard!!!

same source says DR has done the deal.
I doubt they were off testing, unless it was a very secret test...

Trucks will be leaving in the next day or so for testing next week, so unless they've been parked up in a european lay-by for a few days I doubt they were heading down to Spain!
I agree the timing of that doesn't make any sense. Our F1 trucks left for Spain today. But I guess we'll see on Saturday in the paddock, but haven't heard anything whatsoever about Honda testing next week.

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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belleair302 said:
Until F1 costs become reasonable....and teams stop taking 120 people to each GP and spending millions on hotels etc the whole circus is unattractive to investors.
Nobody gave a crap about how much F1 teams spent before the credit crunch. In fact that was all part of the spectacle. Now suddenly it's all panic stations and some rather badly thought out cost cutting measures. How much would you like F1 dumbed down before it turns into something like A1GP?

Hut49

3,544 posts

291 months

phumy

5,827 posts

266 months

Thursday 26th February 2009
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egomeister said:
castrolcraig said:
rumour from bracknell today that the HRF1 trucks seen heading towards dover last week were in fact the teams trucks heading testing, with merc engined cars aboard!!!

same source says DR has done the deal.
I doubt they were off testing, unless it was a very secret test...

Trucks will be leaving in the next day or so for testing next week, so unless they've been parked up in a european lay-by for a few days I doubt they were heading down to Spain!
The trucks definitely went last week to Spain for testing.

DSM2

3,624 posts

229 months

Thursday 26th February 2009
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phumy said:
egomeister said:
castrolcraig said:
rumour from bracknell today that the HRF1 trucks seen heading towards dover last week were in fact the teams trucks heading testing, with merc engined cars aboard!!!

same source says DR has done the deal.
I doubt they were off testing, unless it was a very secret test...

Trucks will be leaving in the next day or so for testing next week, so unless they've been parked up in a european lay-by for a few days I doubt they were heading down to Spain!
The trucks definitely went last week to Spain for testing.
Would that be the same two trucks that returned to the factory Tuesday, stripped of all Honda livery?

toomuchbeer

877 posts

237 months

Thursday 26th February 2009
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DSM2 said:
Would that be the same two trucks that returned to the factory Tuesday, stripped of all Honda livery?
That would be a better explanation surely. Hopefully, they will now be loading them ready for the next test.