3 sons of EX-F1 drivers in New F2 Championship...
3 sons of EX-F1 drivers in New F2 Championship...
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nutta29

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234 posts

247 months

Wednesday 4th March 2009
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Good to see some young drivers coming through. Wonder if Henry Surtees can do the business on 2 and 4 wheels?!

stockhatcher

5,172 posts

252 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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nutta29 said:
Good to see some young drivers coming through. Wonder if Henry Surtees can do the business on 2 and 4 wheels?!
a story about Henry Surtees.

Back in 2007, he was invited as one of the lead drivers of FBMW to a motorsport day at BMW HQ. He was among such luminaries as Mansell, Kubica, Priaulx, Surtees Snr, Murray Walker etc. He was asked what his ambitions were in the sport, he replied " I am not yet decided. I might be an engineer, or might try and make it to Formula 1. I want to go to university first and then decide.."

That comment is not conducive to someone who wants it. I can't imagine Lewis ever saying someinthg like that.

Therefore the answer to your question is NO.

williamp

20,398 posts

302 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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Seems to me a very level-headed person, who recognises that a famous dad wont necessarially mean you'll make it, and acknowledges that only a very, very few people make it to the top. And of those that dont, sometimes they include the fastest drivers

garycat

5,383 posts

239 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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Make me wonder if there is another sport where nepotism is so prevalent?

Has a son ever been more successful than his father?

SamHH

5,078 posts

245 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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garycat said:
Make me wonder if there is another sport where nepotism is so prevalent?

Has a son ever been more successful than his father?
Jacques Villeneuve, Colin McRae, Valentino Rossi.

Jungles

3,587 posts

250 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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stockhatcher said:
nutta29 said:
Good to see some young drivers coming through. Wonder if Henry Surtees can do the business on 2 and 4 wheels?!
a story about Henry Surtees.

Back in 2007, he was invited as one of the lead drivers of FBMW to a motorsport day at BMW HQ. He was among such luminaries as Mansell, Kubica, Priaulx, Surtees Snr, Murray Walker etc. He was asked what his ambitions were in the sport, he replied " I am not yet decided. I might be an engineer, or might try and make it to Formula 1. I want to go to university first and then decide.."

That comment is not conducive to someone who wants it. I can't imagine Lewis ever saying someinthg like that.

Therefore the answer to your question is NO.
Sounds like the sort of thing Damon Hill, Graham Hill, and Stirling Moss might have said. Just because you've got your head screwed on your shoulders and feet on the ground, doesn't mean you can't be a world champion or compete at elite levels of a sport.

chevronb37

6,472 posts

215 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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One reason for my enormous for Oliver Turvey is that he pursued his academic career and achieved a degree in Engineering from Cambridge while racing at the highest national level. Deeply impressive.

I think Henry Surtees' attitude will serve him well - you most be highly motivated, but also realise that life can be about more than being a Grand Prix driver.

dpbird90

5,535 posts

219 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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SamHH said:
garycat said:
Make me wonder if there is another sport where nepotism is so prevalent?

Has a son ever been more successful than his father?
Jacques Villeneuve, Colin McRae, Valentino Rossi.
Villeneuve? You're kidding right?

SamHH

5,078 posts

245 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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dpbird90 said:
Villeneuve? You're kidding right?
No, why would you think that? Jacques won more Formula One races, one Forumla One championship to Gilles' none and he won at the top level of American open-wheel racing. By any definition, that must make him more successful than his father. If you're talking about snowmobile racing, then I would agree that Gilles was more successful.

RogueMotorsport

246 posts

217 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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chevronb37 said:
One reason for my enormous for Oliver Turvey is that he pursued his academic career and achieved a degree in Engineering from Cambridge while racing at the highest national level.
Now there's a sentence you didn't want to miss a word out of...!rofl

Marc W

3,782 posts

240 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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Plus 1 Step son of an Ex f1 driver. Jack Clarke is the Step son of Julian Bailey, Ex-Lotus driver (Although I think he only did a few races.)

onemorelap

694 posts

260 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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SamHH said:
dpbird90 said:
Villeneuve? You're kidding right?
No, why would you think that? Jacques won more Formula One races, one Forumla One championship to Gilles' none and he won at the top level of American open-wheel racing. By any definition, that must make him more successful than his father. If you're talking about snowmobile racing, then I would agree that Gilles was more successful.
The age old question of how you measure success, statistically or by the contribution and legacy left.

Always had the height of time for Jacques and its fair to say that STATISTICALLY he has acheived more in his career than his sadly departed dad.
But will Jacques be remembered (or dare i say it revered) as much as his dad? Personally i don't think so.

Despite it being in excess of 25 years since Gilles died the guy still has legions of fans (me included)and IMHO that was a result of his no bull character, outstanding driving ability, never say die attitude and flat out everywhere approach.
Was it an approach that had its flaws?. In much the same way as Colin McRae admitted that a bit less right foot might have led to more championships then i would say yes it was flawed to some degree.
Was it an approach that was endearing, entirely memorable and all consuming to those looking in from the outside at the time? In much the same way as Colin McRae's approach, most definitely.





Edited by onemorelap on Thursday 5th March 13:11


Edited by onemorelap on Thursday 5th March 13:14

SamHH

5,078 posts

245 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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To me, success in sporting terms means winning things, especially at the top levels. Jacques Villeneuve won more things at the top levels of motorsport than Gilles Villeneuve. If the question was, "Are any sons remembered or revered more than their fathers", then I agree that Jacques Villeneuve may not be an answer.

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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Agreed.
Gilles is remembered because of his atitude - and because he died without fulfilling his potential. A sort of a Buddy Holly of mntorsport.

If he had calmed down a bit and gone on to win World Championships he might not be remembered as fondly.

stifler

37,069 posts

217 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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Marc W said:
Plus 1 Step son of an Ex f1 driver. Jack Clarke is the Step son of Julian Bailey, Ex-Lotus driver (Although I think he only did a few races.)
That doesn't really mean a lot for the genetics though, does it? It just means that a one-time F1 driver has hung out the back of his mum.

chevronb37

6,472 posts

215 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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RogueMotorsport said:
chevronb37 said:
One reason for my enormous for Oliver Turvey is that he pursued his academic career and achieved a degree in Engineering from Cambridge while racing at the highest national level.
Now there's a sentence you didn't want to miss a word out of...!rofl
Eek! What a chump...

Marc W

3,782 posts

240 months

Thursday 5th March 2009
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stifler said:
Marc W said:
Plus 1 Step son of an Ex f1 driver. Jack Clarke is the Step son of Julian Bailey, Ex-Lotus driver (Although I think he only did a few races.)
That doesn't really mean a lot for the genetics though, does it? It just means that a one-time F1 driver has hung out the back of his mum.
But it could be interesting for comparisons over whether it's Genetics or having the advice of someone experienced makes more of a difference.