F1 - moment of confusion
Discussion
Yes, its has all changed:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/...
Ferrari are concerned that some teams might be cheating on aerodynamics.
A surreal moment that I will cherish.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/...
Ferrari are concerned that some teams might be cheating on aerodynamics.
A surreal moment that I will cherish.
DSM2 said:
Does anyone know what exactly is thought to be illegal with the various diffusers?
That's easy......... it's not fitted to a ferrari.!!!
Although reading another post on the link above, it appears that Brawn have taken the floor to meet the diffusers, and are gaining more down force.
To be honest, I think it's sour grapes, and I hope to god the fia don't take ferrari's side and ban Brawns, Williams and Toyota's designs.
andy_s said:
I tell you what - his season will be a corker - MM and F look like hey are behind while BMW and Brawn seem to have already put a lot of development into thir cars -be redy for a shake up this season?!
I really hope that you're right, how refreshing it would be. But I'm beginning to worry that Big Red is already turning it's "CHEAT" guns towards its new perceived competitors. Just found something on GP update that says the FIA Technical team has inspected the questioned floors and deemed them OK, but and I quote Mosely:
"The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
"The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
DSM2 said:
Just found something on GP update that says the FIA Technical team has inspected the questioned floors and deemed them OK, but and I quote Mosely:
"The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
Probably be McMerc given their problems with lack of rear downforce................ especially considering the have redesigned the top body, front wing and floor once already and it still isn't right."The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
Shock... horror.... the Ferrari bashing on PH has started already.
Edited by E30M3SE on Monday 16th March 11:19
E30M3SE said:
DSM2 said:
Just found something on GP update that says the FIA Technical team has inspected the questioned floors and deemed them OK, but and I quote Mosely:
"The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
Probably be McMerc given their problems with lack of rear downforce................ especially considering the have redesigned the top body, front wing and floor once already and it still isn't right."The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
Shock... horror.... the Ferrari bashing on PH has started already.
Edited by E30M3SE on Monday 16th March 11:19
DSM2 said:
E30M3SE said:
DSM2 said:
Just found something on GP update that says the FIA Technical team has inspected the questioned floors and deemed them OK, but and I quote Mosely:
"The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
Probably be McMerc given their problems with lack of rear downforce................ especially considering the have redesigned the top body, front wing and floor once already and it still isn't right."The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
Shock... horror.... the Ferrari bashing on PH has started already.
Edited by E30M3SE on Monday 16th March 11:19
F1Live.com said:
Domenicali also commented on Flavio Briatore's assertion that up to three teams may be circumventing the new aerodynamic regulations in the area of the rear diffuser.
"We think that we've applied the modified regulations - after the work done by the OWG (Overtaking Working Group) together with the FIA - to the letter," he said.
"It might be that others took a different approach; the FIA has to dissipate any doubt; let's hope they'll do if fast and clear."
"We think that we've applied the modified regulations - after the work done by the OWG (Overtaking Working Group) together with the FIA - to the letter," he said.
"It might be that others took a different approach; the FIA has to dissipate any doubt; let's hope they'll do if fast and clear."
I didn't see the word cheating in that article, or even a veiled accusation, just 'different interpretation'. There's a world of difference between the two. 
The biggest point he makes is that Ferrari, and indeed McLaren, were hard at work fighting for the championship right up to the last race, whereas others, namely Honda and BMW, had opening announced their focus on their 2009 cars quite early on, with the new Brawn especially taking them by surprise
To early to start kicking off at Ferrari on the basis of that, IMO.
The biggest point he makes is that Ferrari, and indeed McLaren, were hard at work fighting for the championship right up to the last race, whereas others, namely Honda and BMW, had opening announced their focus on their 2009 cars quite early on, with the new Brawn especially taking them by surprise To early to start kicking off at Ferrari on the basis of that, IMO.
Huh?, I read it that Ferrari, like Mclaren feel they are behind as they were the only teams competing late into last year, most other teams starting their developement of this years car a lot earlier. Both teams pointing out a fact rather than whining. The aero thing is Flavio's hobby horse, Mr Domenicali just hoped for a quick clarification didn't he?
Can anyone explain what the difference is in the rear diffusers between the Toyota/Williams/BGP and the rest of the field? One article I've seen implies that the three teams have a radiused transition from the floor to the diffuer, have the other teams got a notched transition or some such?
Regards
Iain
Regards
Iain
stephen300o said:
Huh?, I read it that Ferrari, like Mclaren feel they are behind as they were the only teams competing late into last year, most other teams starting their developement of this years car a lot earlier. Both teams pointing out a fact rather than whining. The aero thing is Flavio's hobby horse, Mr Domenicali just hoped for a quick clarification didn't he?
I hope you're right.......................Chassis 33 said:
Can anyone explain what the difference is in the rear diffusers between the Toyota/Williams/BGP and the rest of the field? One article I've seen implies that the three teams have a radiused transition from the floor to the diffuer, have the other teams got a notched transition or some such?
Regards
Iain
http://www.f1-pitlane.com/content/2009-diffuserRegards
Iain
The diffuser area is supposed to be limited in height (175mm), Toyota/Williams/BGP have used some rules applying to the centre section of the car to make the area of the diffuser 75mm either side of the centre line upto a height of 400mm. This is the debate point for the teams who haven't got a high centre section.
DSM2 said:
Just found something on GP update that says the FIA Technical team has inspected the questioned floors and deemed them OK, but and I quote Mosely:
"The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
The FIA make me laugh. F1 has, and always will be about getting around the regulations. From the FIA's point of view they should have worded it better in the first place :P"The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
navier_stokes said:
DSM2 said:
Just found something on GP update that says the FIA Technical team has inspected the questioned floors and deemed them OK, but and I quote Mosely:
"The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
The FIA make me laugh. F1 has, and always will be about getting around the regulations. From the FIA's point of view they should have worded it better in the first place :P"The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
The teams agreed that three guys - one each from Ferrari, Renault and McLaren - would form the "Overtaking Working Group", and that they, the rest, would go with whatever recommendations for the formula the group made.
The OWG thought that their intentions about diffuser limits were clear. Although their intentions were clear, the wording was not. Thus the teams that exploited the loophole must have done so knowing that it conflicted with the intentions of the very people whose recommendations they had legitimised.
If one or more teams did in fact bring this to the FIA's attention prior to the car launches, however, that was the FIA's one chance to nip it in the bud. If they didn't close the loophole then, they shouldn't be doing it now.
flemke said:
navier_stokes said:
DSM2 said:
Just found something on GP update that says the FIA Technical team has inspected the questioned floors and deemed them OK, but and I quote Mosely:
"The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
The FIA make me laugh. F1 has, and always will be about getting around the regulations. From the FIA's point of view they should have worded it better in the first place :P"The current view of the FIA is that Williams and Toyota have been clever and found a loophole in the rules. It's probably wrong that they've exploited the wording of the rules in a clever way. Somebody may challenge it, and then the stewards could take another view."
I wonder who that 'Somebody' might be?
The teams agreed that three guys - one each from Ferrari, Renault and McLaren - would form the "Overtaking Working Group", and that they, the rest, would go with whatever recommendations for the formula the group made.
The OWG thought that their intentions about diffuser limits were clear. Although their intentions were clear, the wording was not. Thus the teams that exploited the loophole must have done so knowing that it conflicted with the intentions of the very people whose recommendations they had legitimised.
If one or more teams did in fact bring this to the FIA's attention prior to the car launches, however, that was the FIA's one chance to nip it in the bud. If they didn't close the loophole then, they shouldn't be doing it now.
I don't think intentions, working practice, or traditions are enforcable in F1. Teams fight over the words. The FIA have had plenty of time to clarify the rule, but haven't. Maybe we'll see them make revisions after the first race, for some crazy reason. IMO, they should've already dealt with it.
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