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entropy said:
Why the hate?
To me he is largely responsible for turning F1 more and more political, and adopting a 'win at all costs' approach without the ethics to support it.The self-righteous comments whenever Ferrari was 'wronged', his sucking up to the FIA, and the claims that Ferrari had 'won' championships when in reality they were gifted to them all stick in my throat.
He was very good at getting results for Ferrari, but at what cost to the sport ?
and of course cheating throughout his career.
I don't think he would be pro Ferrari - Luca has a massive falling out with him, i do think that the boss man felt that Todt had brought some shame to the Ferrari badge with his underhand tactics.
I recently heard a radio interview with Todt's wife, Michelle Yeoh (how the hell did he land that one) anyway - she said that he just follows her around the world and just enjoys doing very little these days. So who knows what his plans are.
woof said:
and of course cheating throughout his career
examples/other claims other than at Ferrari?Nick M said:
entropy said:
Why the hate?
To me he is largely responsible for turning F1 more and more political, and adopting a 'win at all costs' approach without the ethics to support it.The self-righteous comments whenever Ferrari was 'wronged', his sucking up to the FIA, and the claims that Ferrari had 'won' championships when in reality they were gifted to them all stick in my throat.
He was very good at getting results for Ferrari, but at what cost to the sport ?
entropy said:
You could say the same with Flav. Don't forget he was sucking up to Schumi as well. Herbert didn't particularly enjoy his time at Benetton in 1996 and judging by an interview in Motorsport mag last year it seems Flav was more at fault than Schumi.
Except Flav comes across as clueless and heavy-handed rather than devious and manipulative.Yes, I'm sure he sucked up to Schumacher, but my perception of him is that he lacks the knowledge or political clout to be truly dangerous or obnoxious.
He just comes across as being a bit of a whinger these days, rather than someone whose words actually carry some weight (be that good or bad).
Nick M said:
Hateful little man IMO
Nick M said:
The self-righteous comments whenever Ferrari was 'wronged', his sucking up to the FIA, and the claims that Ferrari had 'won' championships when in reality they were gifted to them all stick in my throat.
woof said:
and of course cheating throughout his career.
Yeah, but he's French; wot's your excuse?Nick M said:
entropy said:
You could say the same with Flav. Don't forget he was sucking up to Schumi as well. Herbert didn't particularly enjoy his time at Benetton in 1996 and judging by an interview in Motorsport mag last year it seems Flav was more at fault than Schumi.
Except Flav comes across as clueless and heavy-handed rather than devious and manipulative.Yes, I'm sure he sucked up to Schumacher, but my perception of him is that he lacks the knowledge or political clout to be truly dangerous or obnoxious.
He just comes across as being a bit of a whinger these days, rather than someone whose words actually carry some weight (be that good or bad).
flemke said:
Nick M said:
entropy said:
You could say the same with Flav. Don't forget he was sucking up to Schumi as well. Herbert didn't particularly enjoy his time at Benetton in 1996 and judging by an interview in Motorsport mag last year it seems Flav was more at fault than Schumi.
Except Flav comes across as clueless and heavy-handed rather than devious and manipulative.Yes, I'm sure he sucked up to Schumacher, but my perception of him is that he lacks the knowledge or political clout to be truly dangerous or obnoxious.
He just comes across as being a bit of a whinger these days, rather than someone whose words actually carry some weight (be that good or bad).
DJC said:
flemke said:
Nick M said:
entropy said:
You could say the same with Flav. Don't forget he was sucking up to Schumi as well. Herbert didn't particularly enjoy his time at Benetton in 1996 and judging by an interview in Motorsport mag last year it seems Flav was more at fault than Schumi.
Except Flav comes across as clueless and heavy-handed rather than devious and manipulative.Yes, I'm sure he sucked up to Schumacher, but my perception of him is that he lacks the knowledge or political clout to be truly dangerous or obnoxious.
He just comes across as being a bit of a whinger these days, rather than someone whose words actually carry some weight (be that good or bad).
The chap who told me this has been doing business with BCE for many years, and with Briatore since he's been in F1.
tomTVR said:
entropy said:
Why the hate?
Tell me you are being ironic?You all come across like hypocrites.
Everyone now praises Ross Brawns but he was just as devious as JT. I recently re-watched the 2005 review DVD: Australia - after clashing with Heidfeld Brawn tells Schumi to signal for a push from the marshall knowing full well its against the rules; 2003 - before Italian GP Brawn reckoned the Michelin the tyres were illegal and was advocated by the FIA; Brawn was Technical Director at Benetton in 1994 who were accused of cheating and supposedly ran some form of traction control.
Nick M said:
entropy said:
You could say the same with Flav. Don't forget he was sucking up to Schumi as well. Herbert didn't particularly enjoy his time at Benetton in 1996 and judging by an interview in Motorsport mag last year it seems Flav was more at fault than Schumi.
Except Flav comes across as clueless and heavy-handed rather than devious and manipulative.Yes, I'm sure he sucked up to Schumacher, but my perception of him is that he lacks the knowledge or political clout to be truly dangerous or obnoxious.
He just comes across as being a bit of a whinger these days, rather than someone whose words actually carry some weight (be that good or bad).
flemke] said:
A chap who really would know told me that Briatore is the second-most clever businessmen he's ever known (BCE being the first-), and he's known a few.
Not surprising since he worked used to work at Benetton and was personally selected to run the F1 team. He came in not knowing a sodding thing and ended winning a few WDCs.entropy said:
Everyone now praises Ross Brawns but he was just as devious as JT. I recently re-watched the 2005 review DVD: Australia - after clashing with Heidfeld Brawn tells Schumi to signal for a push from the marshall knowing full well its against the rules; 2003 - before Italian GP Brawn reckoned the Michelin the tyres were illegal and was advocated by the FIA; Brawn was Technical Director at Benetton in 1994 who were accused of cheating and supposedly ran some form of traction control
Benetton actually admitted to the FIA that they had used an illegal fuel rig. This "came to light" in the pitlane fire around Verstappen's car.flemke said:
DJC said:
flemke said:
Nick M said:
entropy said:
You could say the same with Flav. Don't forget he was sucking up to Schumi as well. Herbert didn't particularly enjoy his time at Benetton in 1996 and judging by an interview in Motorsport mag last year it seems Flav was more at fault than Schumi.
Except Flav comes across as clueless and heavy-handed rather than devious and manipulative.Yes, I'm sure he sucked up to Schumacher, but my perception of him is that he lacks the knowledge or political clout to be truly dangerous or obnoxious.
He just comes across as being a bit of a whinger these days, rather than someone whose words actually carry some weight (be that good or bad).
The chap who told me this has been doing business with BCE for many years, and with Briatore since he's been in F1.
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