Vettel better than Hamilton says Eccles cakes..
Vettel better than Hamilton says Eccles cakes..
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wanacoop

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1,249 posts

251 months

Sunday 19th April 2009
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http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12345/900/

Amazing what people say after one race!

Jasandjules

72,590 posts

258 months

Sunday 19th April 2009
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Indeed.

This was, without doubt however, a VERY dominant weekend for Vettel.

I would love to see a race with all drivers in a Red Bull car though, then we'll see whose best (on the day at least!)...

Frik

13,680 posts

272 months

Sunday 19th April 2009
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It's almost as if Bernie tends to say things for the purposes of creating more publicity for Formula 1 than necessarily what he actually thinks.#

Surely not.

Jasandjules

72,590 posts

258 months

Sunday 19th April 2009
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Frik said:
It's almost as if Bernie tends to say things for the purposes of creating more publicity for Formula 1 than necessarily what he actually thinks.#

Surely not.
Nah, that wouldn't happen........................

The Moose

23,677 posts

238 months

Sunday 19th April 2009
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Article said:
Kate's Dirty Sister
I like it!!

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flemke

23,495 posts

266 months

Sunday 19th April 2009
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Jasandjules said:
Frik said:
It's almost as if Bernie tends to say things for the purposes of creating more publicity for Formula 1 than necessarily what he actually thinks.#

Surely not.
Nah, that wouldn't happen........................
Recently it has seemed that, when Bernie was right, it was more often by coincidence than because of insight.

superkartracer

8,959 posts

251 months

Sunday 19th April 2009
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wanacoop said:
http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12345/900/

Amazing what people say after one race!
He is, not a wheel wrong today, quite brilliant really.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

257 months

Sunday 19th April 2009
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Mike Gascoigne said much the same today, Vettel is impressing a lot of people.

Jungles

3,587 posts

250 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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I wouldn't put any weight on what Bernie says about driver talent. Sure, he would know what to look for, after so many years in the F1 business. But usually when he vouches for a driver, it's for monetary and publicity reasons, not genuine enthusiasm.

Derek Smith

49,753 posts

277 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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flemke said:
Recently it has seemed that, when Bernie was right, it was more often by coincidence than because of insight.
That is absolute nonsense and a complete fabrication designed to make Bernie appear an idiot. I mean, when was he ever right?

TimmyArt

1,425 posts

247 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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I have to say that on last year's performance I thought Vettel was a great driver. On the back of this weekend, he seems to be sooo fast and hooked up in the wet. Hamilton is clearly very good and has in previous seasons done things with the car that most didn't think possible to do and still go so fast.
As my non expert wife pointed out to me, 'it seems a bit depressing to think that so much of the speed comes down to having a good car' What she was referring to was Button and Vettel on the up with Hamilton, Alonso etc low down..
They are all great drivers, some on the grid aren't but it just shows if you have a good car/bad car...

bruh_la

319 posts

283 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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TimmyArt said:
I have to say that on last year's performance I thought Vettel was a great driver. On the back of this weekend, he seems to be sooo fast and hooked up in the wet. Hamilton is clearly very good and has in previous seasons done things with the car that most didn't think possible to do and still go so fast.
As my non expert wife pointed out to me, 'it seems a bit depressing to think that so much of the speed comes down to having a good car' What she was referring to was Button and Vettel on the up with Hamilton, Alonso etc low down..
They are all great drivers, some on the grid aren't but it just shows if you have a good car/bad car...
Which is why i still believe that a roation system were each driver got to drive every car would show us clearly who built the best car and who was the best driver, which at the moment we have no way of knowing........it would also add to the excitement seeing driver pairs in the same car on the same day that that we are not accustomed to.....Massa Hamilton in the Toyota at Spa?? ....Alonso Vettel in the Ferrari at Hockenheim???? etc etc

jbudgie

10,037 posts

241 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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Derek Smith said:
flemke said:
Recently it has seemed that, when Bernie was right, it was more often by coincidence than because of insight.
That is absolute nonsense and a complete fabrication designed to make Bernie appear an idiot. I mean, when was he ever right?
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Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

236 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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One race and he comes up with this nonsense? Typical crap from Bernie, Lewis has shown in a slow car that he is trully one of the greats this year.

Derek Smith

49,753 posts

277 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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Had a chat last night with a mate of mine who knows a bit about F1 - so making him unique in my F1 group, I picked Trulli for seventh - and he reckoned that Hamilton, whom I criticised for spinning off quite frequently, drove a good race. The one stop tactic didn't do his tyres any favours and neither did pushing it on fullish tanks. But, as he said, what had he got to lose? At Silverstone last year he drove within his capabilities as he was risking 10 points. In China he was trying, perhaps, to double his points. He had to make up those points he 'lost' for third.

From what I read he was using slicks for the last 15 laps or so.

What did surprise me though was that no drivers were moving over to drive on the damp part of the track when a dry line strted to appear ('dyou remember that 15 seconds bit?).

Great drive by Vettel but how good is Webber?

I believe the likilhood of heavy rain is not that high for the next race so, one would assume, the Brawns will be in the ascendent.

Paul Dishman

5,402 posts

266 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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Derek Smith said:
Great drive by Vettel but how good is Webber?
I think that Webber is overrated. Justin Wilson would be a far better bet, he was quicker than Webber when they raced together.

wanacoop

Original Poster:

1,249 posts

251 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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Paul Dishman said:
Derek Smith said:
Great drive by Vettel but how good is Webber?
I think that Webber is overrated. Justin Wilson would be a far better bet, he was quicker than Webber when they raced together.
I don't think he's overrated, he's been bloody unlucky! yesterday he was lapping just as quick as Vettel.

Vettel's drive was great, but not as great as Hamilton last year at Silverstone for me.

E30M3SE

8,493 posts

225 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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Bedazzled said:
Have to say I think I agree with Bernie in this instance, Vettel has awesome natural talent and he's one of the good guys too. He might be in with a shout for the WDC this year. Let's hope he keeps his feet on the ground.
Agree.

Airbag

3,466 posts

225 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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E30M3SE said:
Bedazzled said:
Have to say I think I agree with Bernie in this instance, Vettel has awesome natural talent and he's one of the good guys too. He might be in with a shout for the WDC this year. Let's hope he keeps his feet on the ground.
Agree.
Yup, and how can you not love Seb? He's so happy all the time and seems so friendly, and it comes off as being honest, not that contrived photo-happy so many celebs have on.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

257 months

Monday 20th April 2009
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wanacoop said:
Paul Dishman said:
Derek Smith said:
Great drive by Vettel but how good is Webber?
I think that Webber is overrated. Justin Wilson would be a far better bet, he was quicker than Webber when they raced together.
I don't think he's overrated, he's been bloody unlucky! yesterday he was lapping just as quick as Vettel.

Vettel's drive was great, but not as great as Hamilton last year at Silverstone for me.
You can only use the grip available to you. Last year at Silverstone his car was working better than anybody elses in those conditions. By the time they got to Brazil Vettel made him look quite ordinary(also at Monza of course).
For sure ( wink) Hamilton is one of the better drivers on the grid, but he is not in the same class as Sebastian Vettel.

Well, that's the hornets nest well and truly poked.