Rubens Barrichello
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BBC's headline is unnecessarily hyped. Barri might quit but not due to Button.
As it stands, I think there's plenty of evidence to show that RB's problem wasn't the strategy, but that he made a cods of it especially in his third stint.
Whether a tyre problem or because he 'knew' the 3-stopper was the faster strategy and that JB was now on a 'slower' 2-stopper and so eased off a little with his eye mainly on Massa's pace, who knows.
As it stands, I think there's plenty of evidence to show that RB's problem wasn't the strategy, but that he made a cods of it especially in his third stint.
Whether a tyre problem or because he 'knew' the 3-stopper was the faster strategy and that JB was now on a 'slower' 2-stopper and so eased off a little with his eye mainly on Massa's pace, who knows.
Rubens seems to be a nice guy but there would be plenty in the current field who would love the chance to sit in the Brawn. Just a thought - but with all those years in a Ferrari being told he wasnt allowed to win, why didnt he just get another drive somewhere else? Why did he stay if it was that bad?
FNG said:
Whether a tyre problem or because he 'knew' the 3-stopper was the faster strategy and that JB was now on a 'slower' 2-stopper and so eased off a little with his eye mainly on Massa's pace, who knows.
In the last stint when they were both on unsuitable hard tyres and similar fuel load, Jense was pulling away from Rubens, Jense was on his but Rubens was racing Webber so could not let up. In my opinion, Jensen won because he was the faster driver. The strategy just put him in the right place at the right time and he made the most of it.profstoff said:
FNG said:
Whether a tyre problem or because he 'knew' the 3-stopper was the faster strategy and that JB was now on a 'slower' 2-stopper and so eased off a little with his eye mainly on Massa's pace, who knows.
In the last stint when they were both on unsuitable hard tyres and similar fuel load, Jense was pulling away from Rubens, Jense was on his but Rubens was racing Webber so could not let up. In my opinion, Jensen won because he was the faster driver. The strategy just put him in the right place at the right time and he made the most of it.Simply, he's rising to the challenge and making his opportunities count where Rubens is not.
That Jenson could lap faster than Rubens with significantly more fuel says it all about yesterday's race.
M3ax said:
Rubens seems to be a nice guy but there would be plenty in the current field who would love the chance to sit in the Brawn. Just a thought - but with all those years in a Ferrari being told he wasnt allowed to win, why didnt he just get another drive somewhere else? Why did he stay if it was that bad?
Being number two to Schumacher was a bit like the operation my ferret had to make it less agressive. Every so often kevin, my ferret, would make out he could do the business but we all knew he couldn't.Number two in Ferrari is akin to emasculation. Just accept it. All the posturing is a wste of time. Everyone knew Irvine would never be WDC whislt Schumacher was around. Even him. the saem goes for RB I'm afraid. He seems to be a very nice chap but he's worked with Brawn before. He knows the rules.
Rubens just isn't quick enough. He obviously thought he was, the way he teararsed off at the get go.
But when asked to hammer it, and that means hanging the car on the edge, heart pounding in your chest corner after corner, he just couldn't do it.
His overheard convo with Button just before Trophies suggests he already has self doubt.
If I was Fernando Alonso right now, I'd be egging in there for a drive.
But when asked to hammer it, and that means hanging the car on the edge, heart pounding in your chest corner after corner, he just couldn't do it.
His overheard convo with Button just before Trophies suggests he already has self doubt.
If I was Fernando Alonso right now, I'd be egging in there for a drive.
Derek Smith said:
M3ax said:
Rubens seems to be a nice guy but there would be plenty in the current field who would love the chance to sit in the Brawn. Just a thought - but with all those years in a Ferrari being told he wasnt allowed to win, why didnt he just get another drive somewhere else? Why did he stay if it was that bad?
Being number two to Schumacher was a bit like the operation my ferret had to make it less agressive. Every so often kevin, my ferret, would make out he could do the business but we all knew he couldn't.Number two in Ferrari is akin to emasculation. Just accept it. All the posturing is a wste of time. Everyone knew Irvine would never be WDC whislt Schumacher was around. Even him. the saem goes for RB I'm afraid. He seems to be a very nice chap but he's worked with Brawn before. He knows the rules.
M3ax said:
Just a thought - but with all those years in a Ferrari being told he wasnt allowed to win, why didnt he just get another drive somewhere else? Why did he stay if it was that bad?
He was allowed to win occasionally. He has 6 wins to his name IINM.There's an argument that 6 wins being a patsy to Schumacher is better than no wins in an inferior team.
During the period that RB was there, Ferrari was all-conquering. Pretty much no-one else got a look in apart from at freak grand prixs. If he was anywhere else he most likely would have never won a race and would have had a shorter career.
You could argue that he sold out - In both his principles and financially (Ferrari drivers aren't known for being poorly paid or looked after) but I'd wager that he wouldn't be driving today if he hadn't have gone to Ferrari.
As for yesterday, I think he was just a bit narked that his race didn't work out the way he wanted it to. He's obviously a bit jittery about the whole team orders thing and is probably a bit sensitive because Jenson is doing so well and, in comparison, he isn't.
It'll all be sorted by Monaco.
And he'll win later in the year after Jenson's wrapped up the title and let's him have a few
freedman said:
Just posturing from Rubens I think
It's not even that. Rubens said:
"If I get the slightest sniff of the fact that they have favoured Jenson, I will hang up my helmet tomorrow," he told United States channel SpeedTV.
"But I know Ross wouldn't do that. He asked me to drive for him and he knows I want to race fairly with Jenson."
Probably in response to a question like: "How do you feel about the team favouring Jenson?""But I know Ross wouldn't do that. He asked me to drive for him and he knows I want to race fairly with Jenson."
It's a normal response most drivers would say. It's the stuff after that 1st statement that really shows his position on the subject.
SRT77 said:
Strange thing is, Rubens nearly always outdrove Button last year in a crap car and Button just looked like he could not be arsed to bother trying.. Maybe everything has to be just right for Button to give it a go and according to him it's always a "tough race".
But in 2007 Button outdrove Barri.I think that quite simply Jenson didn't try last year cos he knew the car was irredeemably bad. He perked up a bit later in the year which probably saved his drive in Ross Brawn's eyes, but is now showing what he really can do.
Which is a pattern that has repeated once before, when he was impressive as a rookie at Williams near the pointy end of the grid, then disinterested in a dog of a Renault at the very back the following season.
Also his driving style works best when the car is well balanced. When it's a turd he's not so good at getting the best out of it.
Overall, though, he's got Rubens' measure this season and 4 wins from 5 races is proof of that. If the Brawn heated its tyres more, and was therefore a good wet weather performer, it could have been 5 from 5...
Incidentally many, although not all, drivers will say it was a tough race. In Button's case, you can't tell he's having problems cos he rarely gets out of shape or makes a mistake.
Munter said:
freedman said:
Just posturing from Rubens I think
It's not even that. Rubens said:
"If I get the slightest sniff of the fact that they have favoured Jenson, I will hang up my helmet tomorrow," he told United States channel SpeedTV.
"But I know Ross wouldn't do that. He asked me to drive for him and he knows I want to race fairly with Jenson."
Probably in response to a question like: "How do you feel about the team favouring Jenson?""But I know Ross wouldn't do that. He asked me to drive for him and he knows I want to race fairly with Jenson."
It's a normal response most drivers would say. It's the stuff after that 1st statement that really shows his position on the subject.
I think Ross Brawn must be really chuffed with the driver line up this year.
Jenson's driving the wheels off the car, super-motivated, transformed into a true race winner.
Rubens is also driving well, but not quite as well, picking up points but not creating an Alonso-Hamilton situation.
Maximum chance of WDC & CC, I think.
Whether that happened by accident or design, who knows, and who cares?
Jenson's driving the wheels off the car, super-motivated, transformed into a true race winner.
Rubens is also driving well, but not quite as well, picking up points but not creating an Alonso-Hamilton situation.
Maximum chance of WDC & CC, I think.
Whether that happened by accident or design, who knows, and who cares?
jimpritchard said:
M3ax said:
Rubens seems to be a nice guy but there would be plenty in the current field who would love the chance to sit in the Brawn.
Lewis Hamilton... now there's a prospect.. an all British Team, with all British Talent! profstoff said:
FNG said:
Whether a tyre problem or because he 'knew' the 3-stopper was the faster strategy and that JB was now on a 'slower' 2-stopper and so eased off a little with his eye mainly on Massa's pace, who knows.
In the last stint when they were both on unsuitable hard tyres and similar fuel load, Jense was pulling away from Rubens, Jense was on his but Rubens was racing Webber so could not let up. In my opinion, Jensen won because he was the faster driver. The strategy just put him in the right place at the right time and he made the most of it.The only thing that might have saved him would have been that he should have have had track position after the first and possibly second stops. But then again he was so slow on the prime tyres that if they'd done that he'd have backed the pair of them into Webber and Vettel.
He had the right strategy for him but he was just too slow in the 3rd & 4th stints.
He was quicker than JB last year in an evil car because his style is to throw the thing around more & that probably works better in that kind of car. But In a good car that sticks, JB is ultra smooth and that's the quickest way to drive the thing.
Edited by Iain328 on Monday 11th May 14:23
jimpritchard said:
M3ax said:
Rubens seems to be a nice guy but there would be plenty in the current field who would love the chance to sit in the Brawn.
Lewis Hamilton... now there's a prospect.. an all British Team, with all British Talent! 
I think Lewis needs Brawn much more than Brawn needs Lewis, his defeatist attitude and his huge salary right now!Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff