F1 Teams Signing Up
Discussion
Okay, tomorrow is the supposed deadline for teams to sign up and Max is using the fact that so many new teams are going to sign that any of the big teams that do not risk losing their entry (even though it seems many of them are already legally committed anyway, but that's another story).
I was wondering exactly who has signed up, USF1 and Campos were much trumpeted at the weekend, Williams have put their name down. Is there anyone else? Or has Max's bluff all but been called? If, when the list is published in June, there are only three names on it, Max's negotiating carpet will effectively have been pulled from under his feet,
I suspect that many prospective teams are waiting to see exactly what they are going to be signing up for.
I was wondering exactly who has signed up, USF1 and Campos were much trumpeted at the weekend, Williams have put their name down. Is there anyone else? Or has Max's bluff all but been called? If, when the list is published in June, there are only three names on it, Max's negotiating carpet will effectively have been pulled from under his feet,
I suspect that many prospective teams are waiting to see exactly what they are going to be signing up for.
profstoff said:
Okay, tomorrow is the supposed deadline for teams to sign up and Max is using the fact that so many new teams are going to sign that any of the big teams that do not risk losing their entry (even though it seems many of them are already legally committed anyway, but that's another story).
I was wondering exactly who has signed up, USF1 and Campos were much trumpeted at the weekend, Williams have put their name down. Is there anyone else? Or has Max's bluff all but been called? If, when the list is published in June, there are only three names on it, Max's negotiating carpet will effectively have been pulled from under his feet,
I suspect that many prospective teams are waiting to see exactly what they are going to be signing up for.
I think you're right - I saw read something that said that one of the conditions for signing up was having an engine contract in place...which for new teams is probably going to be tricky! I was wondering exactly who has signed up, USF1 and Campos were much trumpeted at the weekend, Williams have put their name down. Is there anyone else? Or has Max's bluff all but been called? If, when the list is published in June, there are only three names on it, Max's negotiating carpet will effectively have been pulled from under his feet,
I suspect that many prospective teams are waiting to see exactly what they are going to be signing up for.
- yes Cosworth is circling, but assuming their engine is suitable to the eventual regulations they must have a limit on capability - I would be surprised if they were the engine partner of every new team throwing their hat in the ring!
llewop said:
I think you're right - I saw read something that said that one of the conditions for signing up was having an engine contract in place...which for new teams is probably going to be tricky!
- yes Cosworth is circling, but assuming their engine is suitable to the eventual regulations they must have a limit on capability - I would be surprised if they were the engine partner of every new team throwing their hat in the ring!
Para 13.2 of the Sporting Regs for 2010 says that applications shall include ...the make of the engine.- yes Cosworth is circling, but assuming their engine is suitable to the eventual regulations they must have a limit on capability - I would be surprised if they were the engine partner of every new team throwing their hat in the ring!
para 13.3 goes on to say that a team can change engines during the championship but points will not be included for championship poisitions.
It also says that a major car manufacturer can only supply engines to two teams. There are five able to supply engines at the moment (although one does not supply any external team and one supplies to three teams). With the championship being opened up to thirteen teams next year, five suppliers can only supply ten teams. If one manufacturer drops out the number comes down to eight teams. That leaves the field open to Cosworth as the "official" FIA engine supplier. As you say, can they supply and service this number of teams.
profstoff said:
It also says that a major car manufacturer can only supply engines to two teams. There are five able to supply engines at the moment (although one does not supply any external team and one supplies to three teams). With the championship being opened up to thirteen teams next year, five suppliers can only supply ten teams. If one manufacturer drops out the number comes down to eight teams. That leaves the field open to Cosworth as the "official" FIA engine supplier. As you say, can they supply and service this number of teams.
I think the supply of engines to 2 two teams means customer teams and doesn't include their own team. Mercedes provides engines to their own team and 2 customers this year as Ferrari did last year. Renault can supply 2 customers teams as well as it's own, so can BMW and so can Ferrari and Toyota making 15 teams in total or 30 cars.FourWheelDrift said:
profstoff said:
It also says that a major car manufacturer can only supply engines to two teams. There are five able to supply engines at the moment (although one does not supply any external team and one supplies to three teams). With the championship being opened up to thirteen teams next year, five suppliers can only supply ten teams. If one manufacturer drops out the number comes down to eight teams. That leaves the field open to Cosworth as the "official" FIA engine supplier. As you say, can they supply and service this number of teams.
I think the supply of engines to 2 two teams means customer teams and doesn't include their own team. Mercedes provides engines to their own team and 2 customers this year as Ferrari did last year. Renault can supply 2 customers teams as well as it's own, so can BMW and so can Ferrari and Toyota making 15 teams in total or 30 cars.paulmurr said:
FourWheelDrift said:
profstoff said:
It also says that a major car manufacturer can only supply engines to two teams. There are five able to supply engines at the moment (although one does not supply any external team and one supplies to three teams). With the championship being opened up to thirteen teams next year, five suppliers can only supply ten teams. If one manufacturer drops out the number comes down to eight teams. That leaves the field open to Cosworth as the "official" FIA engine supplier. As you say, can they supply and service this number of teams.
I think the supply of engines to 2 two teams means customer teams and doesn't include their own team. Mercedes provides engines to their own team and 2 customers this year as Ferrari did last year. Renault can supply 2 customers teams as well as it's own, so can BMW and so can Ferrari and Toyota making 15 teams in total or 30 cars.Did the rule change, or are Ferrari not considered a supplier to themselves whilst Mercedes are considered a supplier to McLaren-Mercedes?
I don't know about Ferrari... Maybe the rules have changed since then?
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Edited by paulmurr on Thursday 28th May 13:10
FNG said:
paulmurr said:
FourWheelDrift said:
profstoff said:
It also says that a major car manufacturer can only supply engines to two teams. There are five able to supply engines at the moment (although one does not supply any external team and one supplies to three teams). With the championship being opened up to thirteen teams next year, five suppliers can only supply ten teams. If one manufacturer drops out the number comes down to eight teams. That leaves the field open to Cosworth as the "official" FIA engine supplier. As you say, can they supply and service this number of teams.
I think the supply of engines to 2 two teams means customer teams and doesn't include their own team. Mercedes provides engines to their own team and 2 customers this year as Ferrari did last year. Renault can supply 2 customers teams as well as it's own, so can BMW and so can Ferrari and Toyota making 15 teams in total or 30 cars.Did the rule change, or are Ferrari not considered a supplier to themselves whilst Mercedes are considered a supplier to McLaren-Mercedes?
elster said:
FNG said:
paulmurr said:
Merc had to get special dispensation to supply Brawn.
But Ferrari didn't the year before to supply Torro Rosso and Force India.Did the rule change, or are Ferrari not considered a supplier to themselves whilst Mercedes are considered a supplier to McLaren-Mercedes?
FourWheelDrift said:
elster said:
FNG said:
paulmurr said:
Merc had to get special dispensation to supply Brawn.
But Ferrari didn't the year before to supply Torro Rosso and Force India.Did the rule change, or are Ferrari not considered a supplier to themselves whilst Mercedes are considered a supplier to McLaren-Mercedes?
It's been my impression that, by supplying a third team, the engine supplier is seen to benefit to the sport. Perhaps next year, on the back of the Brawn's having been the best car, if Brawn were again to be offered the Mercs, there might be some objection, but until now the constraint has actually been on the supplier side.
Edited by flemke on Friday 29th May 02:13
Aston Martin back in F1.
Prodrive will field an entry next season (and in 2011) with the team becoming a full Aston works squad in 2012. Not sure how I feel about AM in F1; they never achieved a great deal back in the 50's and I hope F1 won't distract their Le Mans & GT efforts. I'll be glad to see Dave Richards back in the pitlane though.
Prodrive will field an entry next season (and in 2011) with the team becoming a full Aston works squad in 2012. Not sure how I feel about AM in F1; they never achieved a great deal back in the 50's and I hope F1 won't distract their Le Mans & GT efforts. I'll be glad to see Dave Richards back in the pitlane though.
llewop said:
yes Cosworth is circling, but assuming their engine is suitable to the eventual regulations they must have a limit on capability - I would be surprised if they were the engine partner of every new team throwing their hat in the ring!
I can't immediately recall, but I'm fairly sure that the original FIA tender for the standard engine supplier included specific provisions as regards capacity. My rough recall is that they had to be prepared to support all teams, but that they would of course have many months' notice ahead of each season in which to gear up/down the supply and support to match demand.Jarama79 said:
Aston Martin back in F1.
Prodrive will field an entry next season (and in 2011) with the team becoming a full Aston works squad in 2012. Not sure how I feel about AM in F1; they never achieved a great deal back in the 50's and I hope F1 won't distract their Le Mans & GT efforts. I'll be glad to see Dave Richards back in the pitlane though.
It could actually help them. F1 will expand their technical expertise and resources.Prodrive will field an entry next season (and in 2011) with the team becoming a full Aston works squad in 2012. Not sure how I feel about AM in F1; they never achieved a great deal back in the 50's and I hope F1 won't distract their Le Mans & GT efforts. I'll be glad to see Dave Richards back in the pitlane though.
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