Which 3 teams will get into F1?
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Prodrive, Lola, Team Superfund, Team US F1, Litespeed, Epsilon Euskadi and Campos Meta1 have all put in entries to the FIA for 2010.
Which 3 teams will actually make it, assuming all the current FOTA teams continue?
My guesses in order of probability are:
Prodrive - Winning F1 may need a good accountant from now on
Team USF1 - Bernie needs some interest for the USA audience
Team Superfund - Same winning approach as Red Bull
Which 3 teams will actually make it, assuming all the current FOTA teams continue?
My guesses in order of probability are:
Prodrive - Winning F1 may need a good accountant from now on
Team USF1 - Bernie needs some interest for the USA audience
Team Superfund - Same winning approach as Red Bull
Obviously there is a great deal that we don't know about the applications, but I would be surprised if Superfund were to be chosen ahead of both Lola and a bona fide Spanish applicant.
Also, it's possible that more than three teams will be admitted. Mosley is trying to give the impression that, if FOTA's applications were to be found technically invalid, he could fill a grid with new entrants and Williams (and possibly Ferrari).
Also, it's possible that more than three teams will be admitted. Mosley is trying to give the impression that, if FOTA's applications were to be found technically invalid, he could fill a grid with new entrants and Williams (and possibly Ferrari).
flemke said:
Obviously there is a great deal that we don't know about the applications, but I would be surprised if Superfund were to be chosen ahead of both Lola and a bona fide Spanish applicant.
Also, it's possible that more than three teams will be admitted. Mosley is trying to give the impression that, if FOTA's applications were to be found technically invalid, he could fill a grid with new entrants and Williams (and possibly Ferrari).
I think if Bernie has 4 teams who look like they are going to bring in money and a semi competitive package then he wont turn the 4th away.Also, it's possible that more than three teams will be admitted. Mosley is trying to give the impression that, if FOTA's applications were to be found technically invalid, he could fill a grid with new entrants and Williams (and possibly Ferrari).
Especially as there is a chance that one or more of the current teams may leave the sport in the next year or two.
I would expect to see Prodrive, USF1 and Lola next year if I had to choose three, but as no real info is avalable there is no way to know for sure.
Holst said:
I would expect to see Prodrive, USF1 and Lola next year if I had to choose three, but as no real info is avalable there is no way to know for sure.
Those would be the 3 that I would pick too, but like you say, there is no way to know for certain based on the (limited) info in the public domain!Cheers
The Moose
zac510 said:
It seems as though just about every new team has named Cosworth as engine supplier too. Cosworth must be getting excited again!
Cosworth are the only engine supplier that can supply more than two teams. The rules for 2010 state that a major car manufacturer can only supply two teams.But to answer the original question, I agree the likely contenders are USF1, Lola and Prodive. These are the high propfile entries. But, depending on the validity of the entries of the other teams, it might be the whole lot of new teams racing against Williams.
Max has got himself a nice bargaining position, the number of entries has validated his idea of a budget cap.
Edited by profstoff on Wednesday 3rd June 09:14
profstoff said:
zac510 said:
It seems as though just about every new team has named Cosworth as engine supplier too. Cosworth must be getting excited again!
Cosworth are the only engine supplier that can supply more than two teams. The rules for 2010 state that a major car manufacturer can only supply two teams.But to answer the original question, I agree the likely contenders are USF1, Lola and Prodive. These are the high propfile entries. But, depending on the validity of the entries of the other teams, it might be the whole lot of new teams racing against Williams.
Max has got himself a nice bargaining position, the number of entries has validated his idea of a budget cap.
Unless I misunderstand your sense of the word, I must disagree with the idea that the number of entries has validated Mosley's idea of a budget cap. If you lower the price of anything - in this case by half - you will increase demand. It was inevitable that the cap would encourage new applications. The problem is that he was more interested in bringing in new, weak entrants than he was in retaining the established, strong entrants.
Holst said:
zac510 said:
It seems as though just about every new team has named Cosworth as engine supplier too. Cosworth must be getting excited again!
I think this is because its much easyer to sign a preliminary argeement with Cosworth than it is with an existing team.
Ps. In order of preference and suitability
USF1 (they were the first to announce it and Bernie wants the US
Prodrive
Lola
Then the others:
Brabham
Team Superfund
March
Epsilon Euskadi
Litespeed
Campos Meta1
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Wednesday 3rd June 11:33
I'm expecting some consoldidation in the newcomers' ranks. For example, I can see how Prodrive has the capacity to run an F1 operation but not how it can build an F1 car. Therefore I reckon they will do a deal with Lola & become Aston Martin Lola Cosworth.
Added to this I can see a number of existing F1 teams heading straight for Superfund in an attempt to part them of their cash before they start splashing it out on thier own team which will remove that option whatever Alex Wurz's well-intentioned ambitions maybe.
Euskadi were first mentioned as the European end of the US team's operation so why the seperate entry? I further think that they would be wise to link up with Campos & that could = 3 entries turn into just the 1. Assuming any of them really has access to the kind of money required to compete next year. It's a very long way from competing in GP2 with budgets of 2.2 million/year & using the drivers' cash to raising even a budget capped 40 million.
The rest seem to be using the F1 entry process as a way of promoting themselves cheaply. 's not like everybody was talking about Litespeed before they announced that they were entering F1 was it? Where are they now? Last time I looked the answer was at the back of the grid in British F3.
So there's just the 1 potential entrant that I can see & that's the Prodrive/Lola opertaion & even that is shaky as Lola have had d the hump with Aston recently over who actually built this year's Aston powered Lola/Lola designed Aston entry in Le Mans this year.
I don't think the FIA has any real fallback postion & I suspect FOTA is well aware of that.
Added to this I can see a number of existing F1 teams heading straight for Superfund in an attempt to part them of their cash before they start splashing it out on thier own team which will remove that option whatever Alex Wurz's well-intentioned ambitions maybe.
Euskadi were first mentioned as the European end of the US team's operation so why the seperate entry? I further think that they would be wise to link up with Campos & that could = 3 entries turn into just the 1. Assuming any of them really has access to the kind of money required to compete next year. It's a very long way from competing in GP2 with budgets of 2.2 million/year & using the drivers' cash to raising even a budget capped 40 million.
The rest seem to be using the F1 entry process as a way of promoting themselves cheaply. 's not like everybody was talking about Litespeed before they announced that they were entering F1 was it? Where are they now? Last time I looked the answer was at the back of the grid in British F3.
So there's just the 1 potential entrant that I can see & that's the Prodrive/Lola opertaion & even that is shaky as Lola have had d the hump with Aston recently over who actually built this year's Aston powered Lola/Lola designed Aston entry in Le Mans this year.
I don't think the FIA has any real fallback postion & I suspect FOTA is well aware of that.
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2009/06/De...
All in German, sorry. The gist of it is that the man that bought Super Aguri's assets last July has placed an entry for F1 2010 using the name Brabham.
Given that he already owns some F1 technology this could be 1 of the teams that actually makes it to the grid. Assuming he has some people ready to throw their cash at the project.
All in German, sorry. The gist of it is that the man that bought Super Aguri's assets last July has placed an entry for F1 2010 using the name Brabham.
Given that he already owns some F1 technology this could be 1 of the teams that actually makes it to the grid. Assuming he has some people ready to throw their cash at the project.
I think they should all be entered. They can then have a battle royal on the Saturday with only the top 12 teams going through to race on the Sunday.
Of course there are issues of pit space, but surely as part of the overall cost saving exercise we should look to reduce the amount of pit area given to each team to get more teams on the grid. Teams will then only bring what they can to fit their space...
Of course there are issues of pit space, but surely as part of the overall cost saving exercise we should look to reduce the amount of pit area given to each team to get more teams on the grid. Teams will then only bring what they can to fit their space...
motormania said:
I think they should all be entered. They can then have a battle royal on the Saturday with only the top 12 teams going through to race on the Sunday.
Of course there are issues of pit space, but surely as part of the overall cost saving exercise we should look to reduce the amount of pit area given to each team to get more teams on the grid. Teams will then only bring what they can to fit their space...
Ahh! Pre-qulifying, that brings back memories and would certainly liven up Friday a bit.Of course there are issues of pit space, but surely as part of the overall cost saving exercise we should look to reduce the amount of pit area given to each team to get more teams on the grid. Teams will then only bring what they can to fit their space...
It all goes to show how much is at stake here, and how seriously Bernie is taking the threat of FOTA. Now eight teams have applied, including some with historic names. It would be interesting to know the financial arrangements behind the new entrants. One suspects there might be a common denominator.
Leithen said:
It all goes to show how much is at stake here, and how seriously Bernie is taking the threat of FOTA. Now eight teams have applied, including some with historic names. It would be interesting to know the financial arrangements behind the new entrants. One suspects there might be a common denominator.
Well here's a clue on Epsilon, and unless Vilderprat is talking up his bid, he has the design (Rinland) resources, manufacture (autoclave) and engineering, and sounds strong.http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75792
March appears to be very weak from what I've read, nothing much more than the name.
Campos is often reported as v.well financed, in terms of design and manufacture he has contracted Dallara.
USF1 is also reported to be well prepared & financed and obviously from BE point of view, wanted to try crack N America.
Lola can build cars, money was in short supply the last time. Prodrive can run them, and probably can get the finance.
Superfund have not much else than than finance.
How many engines can Cosworth supply?
Follow the money and has some, if not all, existing team infastructure. Perm 3 from 4 for me, maybe all if Toyota or Renault go, from Epilson. Campos, Prodrive and USF1.
Edited by Northern Munkee on Wednesday 3rd June 22:04
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