The BBC conspiracy!
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After years of waiting the BBC got back the coverage rights, Only for this years season being one of the most one sided and boring for years. Then they have a major row erupt between the FOTA and the FIA. Now their looks a real threat that a new F1 series could start next season. As the Beeb are tied to the Max and Bernie all stars Cosworth league next year does it mean ITV and the Cock get to to cover the FOTA championship?
twaddle
JB may be well clear in the championship, but far from boring imho
and to suggest that ITV could have predicted or planned for the current state of play is pure fantasy! Despite Bernie's 'I'll sue the B******s' comments, I don't see an issue with the same TV company having more than one contract in place (as long as they have the channels to cover it...which the beeb does)
ITV was running on empty (in so many ways)
JB may be well clear in the championship, but far from boring imho
and to suggest that ITV could have predicted or planned for the current state of play is pure fantasy! Despite Bernie's 'I'll sue the B******s' comments, I don't see an issue with the same TV company having more than one contract in place (as long as they have the channels to cover it...which the beeb does)
ITV was running on empty (in so many ways)
I think this season has been one of the best in recent years, just a shame all the off-track nonsense is detracting from it.
Isn't it funny - if you'd have told people at the end of last year that the Ferrari / McLaren monopoloy was to be broken and Brawn, Red Bull et al would be right at the top this year they would have been quivering with excitement, yet now it's being spoken of (in some circles) as boring and one-sided.
Isn't it funny - if you'd have told people at the end of last year that the Ferrari / McLaren monopoloy was to be broken and Brawn, Red Bull et al would be right at the top this year they would have been quivering with excitement, yet now it's being spoken of (in some circles) as boring and one-sided.
Bob Fossil said:
I think this season has been one of the best in recent years, just a shame all the off-track nonsense is detracting from it.
Isn't it funny - if you'd have told people at the end of last year that the Ferrari / McLaren monopoloy was to be broken and Brawn, Red Bull et al would be right at the top this year they would have been quivering with excitement, yet now it's being spoken of (in some circles) as boring and one-sided.
More than that, if you'd have told people at the end of last year that Jenson Button would win six out of the first seven races, you'd have been sectioned under the Mental Health Act! Isn't it funny - if you'd have told people at the end of last year that the Ferrari / McLaren monopoloy was to be broken and Brawn, Red Bull et al would be right at the top this year they would have been quivering with excitement, yet now it's being spoken of (in some circles) as boring and one-sided.
DSM2 said:
IMO this season is only boring to those who have very little understanding of what they're watching.
I've been watching F1 for 20 years and understand it very well. I don't see this season as being any better on the track. There hasn't really been any more actual racing, just an FIA manufactured shuffling of the pack.Turkey, for example, was a borefest.
If it had been a Ferrari winning the first 6 out of 7 races at a canter as Brawn have done, everyone would be talking about how dull F1 is.
Maybe I'm not as easily duped/satisfied as others.
Well we can but disagree, doesn't make you anymore right or wrong. In my opinion, and like you that's all it is, this year is more interesting because you have Brawn, Red Bull and one or two others all in there with a shout. Plus the added interest of wondering if Ferrari, maybe, or McLaren, probably not, can catch up with the leaders. In the Ferrari years the opposite was definitely not the case, Schumacher ran away with it and you just knew there was no chance of anyone catching him and Ferrari. Like you I have been watching F1 for years, indeed back to Graham Hill, Denny Hulme and Bruce McLaren's days, so tad longer. There have often been teams & cars that have totally dominated, Lotus, Williams, McLaren and of course Ferrari but... the difference in those seasons was that there was no added interest in watching the chasing pack, this season has that ingredient and thats why, to me, and obviously many other F1 enthusiasts we disagree.
RichB said:
Well we can but disagree, doesn't make you anymore right or wrong. In my opinion, and like you that's all it is, this year is more interesting because you have Brawn, Red Bull and one or two others all in there with a shout. Plus the added interest of wondering if Ferrari, maybe, or McLaren, probably not, can catch up with the leaders. In the Ferrari years the opposite was definitely not the case, Schumacher ran away with it and you just knew there was no chance of anyone catching him and Ferrari. Like you I have been watching F1 for years, indeed back to Graham Hill, Denny Hulme and Bruce McLaren's days, so tad longer. There have often been teams & cars that have totally dominated, Lotus, Williams, McLaren and of course Ferrari but... the difference in those seasons was that there was no added interest in watching the chasing pack, this season has that ingredient and thats why, to me, and obviously many other F1 enthusiasts we disagree.
I absolutely agree with you- we're all different and are entertained by different things. I wasn't trying to willy wave about how long I've been following F1, just trying to point out I'm not a relative newcomer expecting some kind of touring car style spectacle.It is nice to see different teams at the front, and watching the established teams progress. I'm left with a bitter taste when I look at why Brawn is at the front, though- it's just a direct result of FIA politics putting more power to the lower teams and putting their enemies 'in their place'. Would Ferrari really have been put in their place, as they have been this year, 5 years ago?
Of course not, it was other teams on the wrong end of the FIA, then. Low and behold, as soon as it suits the FIA, another team gets the preferential treatment.
I am not saying I preferred the former situation, both are wrong, but I also don't see how the sport has improved just because the FIA have switched favourites.
10 Pence Short said:
DSM2 said:
IMO this season is only boring to those who have very little understanding of what they're watching.
I've been watching F1 for 20 years and understand it very well. I don't see this season as being any better on the track. There hasn't really been any more actual racing, just an FIA manufactured shuffling of the pack.Turkey, for example, was a borefest.
If it had been a Ferrari winning the first 6 out of 7 races at a canter as Brawn have done, everyone would be talking about how dull F1 is.
Maybe I'm not as easily duped/satisfied as others.
Qualifying, although this stage managed 1 hour TV event isn't too bad, was best when the aggregate times over two days counted for pole and you used to see some real 'ball's out' running low fuel on sticky one lap qualifiers. Memories of 1500 hp BMW one lap special engines as just one example .....that was amazing.
If you only watch the GP on Sunday to see who wins then you're missing the point IMO.
It'd be a whole lot more interesteing with the teams running the show, so the point is they should be allowed to race and get on with it without the FiA (read Mosley) seeking to intefere for his own personal satisfaction along with Bernie above the interests of the teams.
Edited by V8 GRF on Sunday 14th June 12:58
10 Pence Short said:
RichB said:
Well we can but disagree...
I absolutely agree with you- we're all different and are entertained by different things. I wasn't trying to willy wave about how long I've been following F1
10 Pence Short said:
...I'm left with a bitter taste when I look at why Brawn is at the front, though - it's just a direct result of FIA politics putting more power to the lower teams and putting their enemies 'in their place'...
Do you really believe that? You see I'm of the opinion that it was Brawn, Williams and Toyota being better at interpreting the rules than the other, and maybe less complacent. We all loved Colin Chapman and indeed many people applauded the Brabham "fan-car" so why not applaud Brawn for their diffuser? Not politics IMO just clever engineering...10 Pence Short said:
It is nice to see different teams at the front, and watching the established teams progress. I'm left with a bitter taste when I look at why Brawn is at the front, though- it's just a direct result of FIA politics putting more power to the lower teams and putting their enemies 'in their place'. Would Ferrari really have been put in their place, as they have been this year, 5 years ago?
Of course not, it was other teams on the wrong end of the FIA, then. Low and behold, as soon as it suits the FIA, another team gets the preferential treatment.
I am not saying I preferred the former situation, both are wrong, but I also don't see how the sport has improved just because the FIA have switched favourites.
Seems I'm a relative newcomer compared to you old gits Of course not, it was other teams on the wrong end of the FIA, then. Low and behold, as soon as it suits the FIA, another team gets the preferential treatment.
I am not saying I preferred the former situation, both are wrong, but I also don't see how the sport has improved just because the FIA have switched favourites.
I can only just remember the days of Mansell and the 'red five'.Anyway....excuse my lack of understanding, but how have/are the FIA having anything to do with the dominance of Brawn this season? The way I saw it, Honda spent pretty much all of 2008 developing the car for this season, so were a lot more prepared than all of the other teams. The only way I thought the FIA had 'helped' was letting them make a lot of last minute decisions with regards to engine suppliers, sponsors/funding etc. which IMO was the right thing for them to do, to keep a lot of great names in F1.
I for one am enjoying this season so far, I like not knowing who is going to be at the front of the grid at any race. I think by the end of the year McLaren/Ferrari et al. will have closed the gap considerably on Brawn, so it should make for a pretty interesting close to the season.
matc said:
10 Pence Short said:
It is nice to see different teams at the front, and watching the established teams progress. I'm left with a bitter taste when I look at why Brawn is at the front, though- it's just a direct result of FIA politics putting more power to the lower teams and putting their enemies 'in their place'. Would Ferrari really have been put in their place, as they have been this year, 5 years ago?
Of course not, it was other teams on the wrong end of the FIA, then. Low and behold, as soon as it suits the FIA, another team gets the preferential treatment.
I am not saying I preferred the former situation, both are wrong, but I also don't see how the sport has improved just because the FIA have switched favourites.
Seems I'm a relative newcomer compared to you old gits Of course not, it was other teams on the wrong end of the FIA, then. Low and behold, as soon as it suits the FIA, another team gets the preferential treatment.
I am not saying I preferred the former situation, both are wrong, but I also don't see how the sport has improved just because the FIA have switched favourites.
I can only just remember the days of Mansell and the 'red five'.Anyway....excuse my lack of understanding, but how have/are the FIA having anything to do with the dominance of Brawn this season? The way I saw it, Honda spent pretty much all of 2008 developing the car for this season, so were a lot more prepared than all of the other teams. The only way I thought the FIA had 'helped' was letting them make a lot of last minute decisions with regards to engine suppliers, sponsors/funding etc. which IMO was the right thing for them to do, to keep a lot of great names in F1.
I for one am enjoying this season so far, I like not knowing who is going to be at the front of the grid at any race. I think by the end of the year McLaren/Ferrari et al. will have closed the gap considerably on Brawn, so it should make for a pretty interesting close to the season.
The fact that they have not [supported Ferrari] illustrates an FIA agenda, which is the reason Brawn are doing so well. The current row over next year's entry is a symptom of that.
What I would like to see is what FOTA propose; a stable rules environment with no political agenda to promote/demote teams up and down the order depending on whoever is trying to gain power/money/influence.
10 Pence Short said:
What I would like to see is what FOTA propose;
Totally agree.They have missed a trick by not having a strong counter proposal to MM's.
It is mirrored to some degree in the Conservatives silence on their policies, giving Gordon Brown a stick to hit back at them with.
Melman Giraffe said:
DSM2 said:
IMO this season is only boring to those who have very little understanding of what they're watching.
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