Engine Manufacturers Vs Customer teams
Discussion
At the moment we have the odd situation in F1 of most the major manufacturers all having their backsides handed to them by their customer teams, apart from Ferrari of course. BMW aren't really included as they are having an absolute mare and don't supply anyone else anyway.
Toyota being beaten by Williams.
Renault being destroyed by Red Bull.
McMerc being beaten by Brawn.
Would it be better for the manufacturers to go back to the old ways of just supplying engines to a team?
Even with the engine freeze, the manufacturers can't seem to get their whole package together. Why is that? Are the teams too big with too much inertia?
Is there a critical size for an F1 team? To small and you haven't got enough capacity, too big and you are too unwieldy?
Toyota being beaten by Williams.
Renault being destroyed by Red Bull.
McMerc being beaten by Brawn.
Would it be better for the manufacturers to go back to the old ways of just supplying engines to a team?
Even with the engine freeze, the manufacturers can't seem to get their whole package together. Why is that? Are the teams too big with too much inertia?
Is there a critical size for an F1 team? To small and you haven't got enough capacity, too big and you are too unwieldy?
IforB said:
Is there a critical size for an F1 team? To small and you haven't got enough capacity, too big and you are too unwieldy?
Well the most successful team this year has been one of the highest spending and, I believe, had amongst the most employees, so I don't think being too big is a barrier to success.To suggest that after one (half) year of Customer teams beating manufacturer teams the manufacturers should go back to supplying is a little short sighted. It is clear that the changes in rules and closely fought battle of last year are the deciding factors in why the manufacturers were not so competetive in the beginnings of the year. Judging by this weekend's performance it would seem they have stepped up their games somewhat.
Menguin said:
To suggest that after one (half) year of Customer teams beating manufacturer teams the manufacturers should go back to supplying is a little short sighted. It is clear that the changes in rules and closely fought battle of last year are the deciding factors in why the manufacturers were not so competetive in the beginnings of the year. Judging by this weekend's performance it would seem they have stepped up their games somewhat.
Where the first 2 places were taken by Renault Powered Red Bulls, William Toyota were 4th and Brawn Mercs came in well ahead of the McMercs. They may be a bit better, but they haven't changed the status quo.I'm not suggesting that the manufacturers pack up shop and only concentrate on engines, but wondering why it is that the manufacturers can't keep up with smaller teams.
Alright the Brawn car is a bit of curve ball as it is in reality a manufacturer car with a different name, but surely the boards of these manufacturers must be asking why their engines are winning or doing better in cars produced by other people.
Must smart a bit.
IforB said:
Menguin said:
To suggest that after one (half) year of Customer teams beating manufacturer teams the manufacturers should go back to supplying is a little short sighted. It is clear that the changes in rules and closely fought battle of last year are the deciding factors in why the manufacturers were not so competetive in the beginnings of the year. Judging by this weekend's performance it would seem they have stepped up their games somewhat.
Where the first 2 places were taken by Renault Powered Red Bulls, William Toyota were 4th and Brawn Mercs came in well ahead of the McMercs. They may be a bit better, but they haven't changed the status quo.I'm not suggesting that the manufacturers pack up shop and only concentrate on engines, but wondering why it is that the manufacturers can't keep up with smaller teams.
Alright the Brawn car is a bit of curve ball as it is in reality a manufacturer car with a different name, but surely the boards of these manufacturers must be asking why their engines are winning or doing better in cars produced by other people.
Must smart a bit.
Honda started on this years car almost from the start of last season.
The team who dropped the biggest b
k are BMW, actually leading the WDC at one point, then stopping to work on this years car and not really achieving much so far.I think that the engineers thought that the KERS system was going to have far more advantages than dis-advantages, therefore alot of budget went to that which would have been better spent in the tunnel.
o/t
The only KERS system that I would like to see in action is the Williams system. I only want to see that out of engineering interest.
o/t
The only KERS system that I would like to see in action is the Williams system. I only want to see that out of engineering interest.
Menguin said:
To suggest that after one (half) year of Customer teams beating manufacturer teams the manufacturers should go back to supplying is a little short sighted. It is clear that the changes in rules and closely fought battle of last year are the deciding factors in why the manufacturers were not so competetive in the beginnings of the year. Judging by this weekend's performance it would seem they have stepped up their games somewhat.
Step back 9 months or so and you have Ferrari beating Rosso and India, Renault beating RBR and Toyota beating Williams. At the end of last season, the top five in the constructors championship were all manufacturers and not customer teams. It's way too soon to be suggesting they revert solely to supplying.Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff