Volkswagen Group will consider entering Formula One??
Volkswagen Group will consider entering Formula One??
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Wanta996Gotta

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5,622 posts

236 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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Interesting as they would have the funds and an Audi or Porsche team would look attractive

Volkswagen Group will consider entering Formula One in the future if the costs become lower, according to a senior Audi official.

Reinhold Carl, managing director of Audi Singapore, told the Straits Times newspaper that the VW Group would consider an entry if the benefits outweighed the costs involved.

"If the cost is lower, it will be more manageable," said Carl. He claimed despite the cost cutting measures ongoing in the sport, the cost for entry were "well over a hundred million euro [£92.5m]" per year.

Jaguar, Honda and BMW have all pulled out of F1 in recent years and doubts still remain over Renault's long term future in the sport and particularly Toyota's.

Carl is not convinced that being involved in the sport brings substantial gains to manufacturer teams. When asked what any VW team would be branded as, Carl said the Porsche and Audi names could be used "or even Volkswagen".

Project 644

37,069 posts

217 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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How big, a part of the Volkswagen Audi Group is Audi Singapore?


hairyben

8,516 posts

212 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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I read a very informative article about 5 years ago, about porsches long term aspirations to a) buy VW then b) go formula 1 racing. The reason being they wanted a giant behind them when they returned, and not to be there as a little guy.

For their sakes I hope the F1 racing bit goes a bit smoother than the VW purchase.

ajprice

33,331 posts

225 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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Any excuse to post this image...



I'd rather Audi F1 than Porsche F1, if there's a Porsche F1 team they'll only try to make the car look like a 911.

dougc

8,241 posts

294 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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Diesel F1.

Muzzer

3,814 posts

250 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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Interesting.

The only F1 talk I've ever heard of in relation to VW was that they did the Veyron as, despite losing minimum 6 figures per car, it was better publicity and cheaper than an F1 programme....

It would be cool though.

SamHH

5,078 posts

245 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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dougc said:
Diesel F1.
What are you saying?

dpbird90

5,535 posts

219 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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SamHH said:
dougc said:
Diesel F1.
What are you saying?
If anyone does it it'll be Audi. And what with the refuelling ban next year...

dougc

8,241 posts

294 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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SamHH said:
dougc said:
Diesel F1.
What are you saying?
Audi started the trend of dieselifying motorsport at a high level with LMP racing. Given the re-fuelling ban coming in, I was simply wondering out loud if it were such a leap to have a diesel F1 car?

snotrag

15,631 posts

240 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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dpbird90 said:
SamHH said:
dougc said:
Diesel F1.
What are you saying?
If anyone does it it'll be Audi. And what with the refuelling ban next year...
Dont even dare suggest what I think you are getting at.

baz1985

3,685 posts

274 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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I hope the Fuhrer's company buy a stake in and thereby rescue Williams.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

274 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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Wanta996Gotta said:
Reinhold Carl, managing director of Audi Singapore, told the Straits Times newspaper that the VW Group would consider an entry if the benefits outweighed the costs involved.
From a business point of view, isn't that simply stating the bleedin' obvious?

SamHH

5,078 posts

245 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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dougc said:
SamHH said:
dougc said:
Diesel F1.
What are you saying?
Audi started the trend of dieselifying motorsport at a high level with LMP racing. Given the re-fuelling ban coming in, I was simply wondering out loud if it were such a leap to have a diesel F1 car?
I doubt it'd happen. The rules would have to be changed to allow it and the engine development freeze lifted.

elster

17,517 posts

239 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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SamHH said:
dougc said:
SamHH said:
dougc said:
Diesel F1.
What are you saying?
Audi started the trend of dieselifying motorsport at a high level with LMP racing. Given the re-fuelling ban coming in, I was simply wondering out loud if it were such a leap to have a diesel F1 car?
I doubt it'd happen. The rules would have to be changed to allow it and the engine development freeze lifted.
The bans are for not eco warrior based, which is why KERS came about.

mdm123

387 posts

293 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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Not really surprised, it gives audi a chance to pull out of endurance racing now that they have a Competitor in the form of Peugeot. The same happened in the days of group B

llewop

3,958 posts

240 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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elster said:
SamHH said:
dougc said:
SamHH said:
dougc said:
Diesel F1.
What are you saying?
Audi started the trend of dieselifying motorsport at a high level with LMP racing. Given the re-fuelling ban coming in, I was simply wondering out loud if it were such a leap to have a diesel F1 car?
I doubt it'd happen. The rules would have to be changed to allow it and the engine development freeze lifted.
The bans are for not eco warrior based, which is why KERS came about.
In the Tech Regs: 'The only fuel permitted is petrol' it actually goes on to describe the fomulation and characteristics in great detail.....

Although as has been said: if there was the will, the regs could be revised, but why do it just to suit one manufacturer.....

I really really hope they don't even contemplate it! letting oil burners into Le Mans and WTCC has been an awful mistake - they can't get the equalisation formula right soapbox

hairyben

8,516 posts

212 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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llewop said:
letting oil burners into Le Mans and WTCC has been an awful mistake - they can't get the equalisation formula right soapbox
I occasionally watch the BTCC or WTCC but can't really get into it because of the mixture of cars- FWD, RWD, petrol, diesel and like you say the weird equalisation penalties which it strikes me are never going work when the cars have fundamentally different characteristics and will work better or worse at different circuits. To have one car "win" when another is heavier because it's better is contrived and frankly ridiculous. F1 might be accused of being a snooze fest but it's pure, one car wins cos the team did the best job.

mchammer89

3,127 posts

242 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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Personally i'd love to see a Skoda/Volvo F1 car.

6655321

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284 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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hairyben said:
llewop said:
letting oil burners into Le Mans and WTCC has been an awful mistake - they can't get the equalisation formula right soapbox
I occasionally watch the BTCC or WTCC but can't really get into it because of the mixture of cars- FWD, RWD, petrol, diesel and like you say the weird equalisation penalties which it strikes me are never going work when the cars have fundamentally different characteristics and will work better or worse at different circuits. To have one car "win" when another is heavier because it's better is contrived and frankly ridiculous. F1 might be accused of being a snooze fest but it's pure, one car wins cos the team did the best job.
The fact BTCC has such variety is a good thing, in my mind. Plus, it would hardly be touring cars if they all followed the same formula, so to speak. As for diesel in F1, personally, I am not overly fussed. It certainly shook up Le Mans, and for it to do so in F1 would be interesting. I'm certainly not dead set against it, (as I fear most in PH would be... It is, after all, the evil fuel)...

freedman

6,015 posts

236 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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Porsche's last attempt at f1 was an unmitigated disaster (Footwork)

Previously they got little less kudos than they should have from the hugely successful TAG project

Porsche should be in top line Sportscar racing, the LMP2 ALMs car proved they still know what theyre doing.

Le Mans an d afactory sportscar team, yes

F1, Audi, maybe but not under the Porsche badge