Glock, the new power-oversteer overtaker (vid)

[mattikake]

Ever remember Keke Rosberg kicking out the backend when coming out of a corner to get superior acceleration and turn? It almost looks like a bit of a mistake to the uneducated and I thought we'd never see the like of such superb style again...

Until Timo Glock came along! Ok it's not as extreme, mainly due to the F1 cars of today that don't like to slide as much and are probably much more twitchy than the cars Keke drove, but the technique is the same.

During my review of 2009 overtakes, I spotted a few that qualify.

Tribute-esq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTY3ucCXnuU

[n3il123]

Love it.. was going to say not many there, but then realised that there weren't that many overtakes period!

[T89 Callan]

Next time some miserable old duffer posts on here saying how modern F1 is crap and they liked it when 'real' drivers used to slide their 'real' cars around we can all just laugh at them.

[HereBeMonsters]

Cheers for that, have another 5 stars!

[Richard-G]

fantastic vid, gives me something new to look out for next season. Jenson made a similar move on kobayashi in brazil, though it wasnt set up pre corner, it did give an advantage with racing line. good coice in tunes too!

[Graebob]

Lovely, it's those kind of things which a layperson (like me) might miss when watching a whole race. 5 stars to you sir!

[Sport Coupe]

Sorry but I think you're trying to make something out of nothing here, the cars now move around a lot more due to Traction Control being banned. Hardly the resurrection of a fabled and long forgotten racing technique.

I'm not trying to stem your obvious enthusiasm for F1, so well done for taking the time to collate some footage.

I too enjoy capturing power oversteer but I just read it as the driver pushing hard to wring every last 10th out of the car.

[Mini1275]

Tbh, i didn't see much modern powersteer overtaking . Sorry.

[mattikake]

Sport Coupe said:

Sorry but I think you're trying to make something out of nothing here, the cars now move around a lot more due to Traction Control being banned. Hardly the resurrection of a fabled and long forgotten racing technique.

I'm not trying to stem your obvious enthusiasm for F1, so well done for taking the time to collate some footage.

I too enjoy capturing power oversteer but I just read it as the driver pushing hard to wring every last 10th out of the car.

That's true, of general oversteer, and LH is probably the most industrious with the rear end, but this is actively using it to OVERTAKE.

As I thought the vid explained, this is best (only?) put to use on exiting a corner. I haven't seen LH do this yet in any formula bar karting (and karts don't have the power), so while I'm sure he is capable, it doesn't appear to be in his overtaking arsenal.

Keke Rosberg did the move about 8 times on camera in F1 in total. I saw Mansell do it once. That's about it, of relatively recent history captured on TV.

Edited by mattikake on Sunday 20th December 13:37

[Richard-G]

i think that the other contributing factor are the slick tyres, which were used in keke's day. Obviously these are a lot more predictable in a slide so its no suprise this technique is being used again

[Richard-G]

nigh on confirmed by jenson on top gear then!

[mattikake]

Here's a great comparison of Hamilton's and Glock's car control: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvU2FtzSEQk&fea...

Lewis was great, drifting it round that corner. How could Timo possibly beat that effort?

He doesn't just beat that effor, he blows it away!

[PulsatingStar]

mattikake said:

Here's a great comparison of Hamilton's and Glock's car control: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvU2FtzSEQk&fea...

Lewis was great, drifting it round that corner. How could Timo possibly beat that effort?

He doesn't just beat that effor, he blows it away!

Timo just stops and does a rolling burnout. Totally different really.

[RB Will]

Timos donuts were much better

[IforB]

mattikake said:

Here's a great comparison of Hamilton's and Glock's car control: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvU2FtzSEQk&fea...

Lewis was great, drifting it round that corner. How could Timo possibly beat that effort?

He doesn't just beat that effor, he blows it away!

That is fabulous car control from Glock.

[PhillipM]

Hmm, sorry, Glock was holding the car on the brakes to do a burnout whereas Hamilton was just doing a drift around the corner at higher speed, I can't say that makes Glock somehow suddenly miles better...

[mattikake]

PhillipM said:

Hmm, sorry, Glock was holding the car on the brakes to do a burnout whereas Hamilton was just doing a drift around the corner at higher speed, I can't say that makes Glock somehow suddenly miles better...

You mean Glock knew how to start one off properly?

lol someone who doesn't understand the entertainment of burn-out's. Smoke my dear boy, smoooke.

[kiteless]

RB Will said:

Timos donuts were much better

And the standing start, slow, oversteer burnout was very good. Although I was more interested seeing Jeremy McWilliams old No.9 Queens University 250GP bike in the foreground. He really used to scare some factory jocks on that bike