Old Flav just can't shut his trap
Discussion
Flav quoted in Autosport.com
"the driver who has become world champion is certainly not the best on the scene"
So how come you. . . lothario old mafioso cheating t
t that you are, wanted to sign him up just what ? a season and a half ago.
Back to the rag trade you hideous letcherous old lizard.
Heidi Klum may have regretted your lack of moral fibre at the time, but phew what a lucky escape from the fat gutted one Eh ?
"the driver who has become world champion is certainly not the best on the scene"
So how come you. . . lothario old mafioso cheating t
t that you are, wanted to sign him up just what ? a season and a half ago.Back to the rag trade you hideous letcherous old lizard.
Heidi Klum may have regretted your lack of moral fibre at the time, but phew what a lucky escape from the fat gutted one Eh ?
Edited by He Skunk on Sunday 27th December 17:31
Edited by He Skunk on Sunday 27th December 21:06
Jasandjules said:
Well, you don't have to be the "best" to win the WDC. A WDC needs some luck as well to win IMHO - good luck for them and bad luck for the opposition.
But the bottom line is that this year, Jenson was the WDC.
It's like getting a load of CVs in for an advertised job, and then chucking half of them in the bin, just to eliminate the unlucky ones.But the bottom line is that this year, Jenson was the WDC.
The WDC is the best driver over the season; either by fortune or design. And anyway, I reckon >clish alert< F1 is a game where you make your own luck.
SlipStream77 said:
He has a point though, for example in 1967, Clark was clearly the best driver on the grid but Hulme won the Championship.
Basically the car is the dominant factor, it has to be both fast and reliable.
+1Basically the car is the dominant factor, it has to be both fast and reliable.
I love how pretty much everyone here will say that Jenson was the best this season because he was WDC, but Schumacher wasn't the best in each of his 7 WDC winning seasons.
SlipStream77 said:
He has a point though, for example in 1967, Clark was clearly the best driver on the grid but Hulme won the Championship.
Basically the car is the dominant factor, it has to be both fast and reliable.
whats interesting from the 67 series is the DVD "" 9 days in summer "" history of the Ford Cosworth DFV mated to the New Lotus 49 .Basically the car is the dominant factor, it has to be both fast and reliable.
The two drivers Clark and Hill raced together , both were fast , with Clark winning first time out at Zandvoort, then again at Siverstone ,Watkins Glen and finaly the last race in Mexico.
The highlight was the Italian GB at Monza where Clark pitted to change a tyre , a lap down he retook the lead only to run out of fuel on the last lap with the race being won by John Surtees. It was one of the best drives of Clarks career.
For poor old Graham Hill it was a different story
Hill suffered reliability problems and retired in 8 races finishing 2nd twice.
Now the Lotus team was built up around Clark , as is the Mclaren team around Hamilton . Historicaly was Graham unlucky , hard on the car which caused the reliability issues or was Clark more suited to the Lotus set up
will be intersting to watch Mclaren next year with two english drivers , Hamilton and Button ,
could we be entering another 67 style era ?
either way with Schumacher back its going to be a very interesting season.
by the way well worth getting a copy of 9 days in Summer
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nine-Days-Summer-Ford-Arch...
Actually, whatever we think of Flav, I think the majority would agree with him. He emplyed Button - and replaced him with Alonso when Button couldn't get the better of Trulli. rebault went on to win two WDCs. Therefore his opinion is worth something.
Button has had a fabulous season. But better than Alonso, Schumacher, Hamilton? My view on him hasn't changed in the last few years, despite his (deserved) success this year. I still put Button in the Coulthard-level camp. Great driver, great asset to a team, superb in wet - but there are others you'd pay more for.
That's why I think the McLaren scenario will be like the Hakkinen-Coulthard years. Button will get the upper hand over Hamilton in some circumstances, but over 3 seasons he'll end up as number 2.
But I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.....
Button has had a fabulous season. But better than Alonso, Schumacher, Hamilton? My view on him hasn't changed in the last few years, despite his (deserved) success this year. I still put Button in the Coulthard-level camp. Great driver, great asset to a team, superb in wet - but there are others you'd pay more for.
That's why I think the McLaren scenario will be like the Hakkinen-Coulthard years. Button will get the upper hand over Hamilton in some circumstances, but over 3 seasons he'll end up as number 2.
But I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.....
Can't say I particularaly like Flav so my view on his reasons for what he is saying might well be biased.
However, I think he is trying something, building himself up as a sage, a sort of old man of F1. A sort of 'look at me. I know everything there is to know about drivers. And I sacked Button and I was right.' So I don't deserve to be banned for life sort of thing.
Nice to think of the Hill/Clark battle again. I've got to say many people would have given up trying to beat Clark, especially one who was, perhaps, not a naturally gifted driver, but he tried right to the end.
Some drivers, cars and regs all sort of come together at the right time. I think Mansell and the turbo era were made for each other. The cars needed bottle and that's what Mansell had. He didn't so much as go round bends as attack them. I can't think of anyone who went around Club with such abandon. Piquet was a much classier driver but he always seemed to me to be a bit frightened of the cars.
There will be some fascinating in-team battles this year. One would assume that the McLaren tradition of no number 1 driver will continue. The Button/Hamilton battle with settle a few arguments. And, perhaps, start a few in the team itself.
Alonso/Massa might well be the battle of the season, but mainly, I think, for the politics. Ferrari have put too much money into Alonso for him to be beaten by the number two, at least in the early part of the season. Once the Italian press start to use their not inconsiderable weight things might change.
And I reckon Nico. He's coming along nicely and I think he deserves a top class car to prove himself. Against MS? Well, I can't help thinking that years away from a sport do not help. MS will have to put up with massive amounts of press interest plus get used to a car and then compete against someone who is fancied right from the first Friday.
It should be fascinating.
Such a shame about some of the circuits.
However, I think he is trying something, building himself up as a sage, a sort of old man of F1. A sort of 'look at me. I know everything there is to know about drivers. And I sacked Button and I was right.' So I don't deserve to be banned for life sort of thing.
Nice to think of the Hill/Clark battle again. I've got to say many people would have given up trying to beat Clark, especially one who was, perhaps, not a naturally gifted driver, but he tried right to the end.
Some drivers, cars and regs all sort of come together at the right time. I think Mansell and the turbo era were made for each other. The cars needed bottle and that's what Mansell had. He didn't so much as go round bends as attack them. I can't think of anyone who went around Club with such abandon. Piquet was a much classier driver but he always seemed to me to be a bit frightened of the cars.
There will be some fascinating in-team battles this year. One would assume that the McLaren tradition of no number 1 driver will continue. The Button/Hamilton battle with settle a few arguments. And, perhaps, start a few in the team itself.
Alonso/Massa might well be the battle of the season, but mainly, I think, for the politics. Ferrari have put too much money into Alonso for him to be beaten by the number two, at least in the early part of the season. Once the Italian press start to use their not inconsiderable weight things might change.
And I reckon Nico. He's coming along nicely and I think he deserves a top class car to prove himself. Against MS? Well, I can't help thinking that years away from a sport do not help. MS will have to put up with massive amounts of press interest plus get used to a car and then compete against someone who is fancied right from the first Friday.
It should be fascinating.
Such a shame about some of the circuits.
Why are people complaining that he is stating the obvious?
Jensen wasn't the best driver of the season, I am pretty sure most the drivers and teams would agree. He did however have the added luck over a few others to win. Much like some football games, the better side isn't always the winner however the one with the most goals wins.
I quite like Flav, he is a billionaire womaniser who told Piquet to crash into a wall...and he did.
What is not to like?
Jensen wasn't the best driver of the season, I am pretty sure most the drivers and teams would agree. He did however have the added luck over a few others to win. Much like some football games, the better side isn't always the winner however the one with the most goals wins.
I quite like Flav, he is a billionaire womaniser who told Piquet to crash into a wall...and he did.
What is not to like?
He could have said that for much of the last 50 years. He could also say that the winning car wasn't the best or that the most popular meal in the paddock isn't the greatest. So why did he feel the need? Simple - his judgment on a World Champion driver was wrong and it's obviously playing on his mind.
kevin ritson said:
He could have said that for much of the last 50 years. He could also say that the winning car wasn't the best or that the most popular meal in the paddock isn't the greatest. So why did he feel the need? Simple - his judgment on a World Champion driver was wrong and it's obviously playing on his mind.
I'm not sure if his judgement was wrong. He sacked Button. He replaced him with Alonso. I think most team managers would have done the same...apart from McLaren maybe!
Alonso was driving for Minardi and outqualifying Button in the Benetton the year before, his place was earned not certain.
Flav was also behind cheating with schumacher at Benetton, he got away with it far too long, the Piquet incedent was pretty pathetic by his standards.
The car usually makes a difference, then it depends on the status of your team mate. Button was cleary pushed hard by an equal team mate, as opposed to having Barrichello moving over or faking gearbox problems. Not to mention having the whole car and team designed for him, data witheld etc.
Flav should just clear the air with a book about cheating in F1, then perhaps he will be used as less of a hate figure by so called F1 fans.
Flav was also behind cheating with schumacher at Benetton, he got away with it far too long, the Piquet incedent was pretty pathetic by his standards.
The car usually makes a difference, then it depends on the status of your team mate. Button was cleary pushed hard by an equal team mate, as opposed to having Barrichello moving over or faking gearbox problems. Not to mention having the whole car and team designed for him, data witheld etc.
Flav should just clear the air with a book about cheating in F1, then perhaps he will be used as less of a hate figure by so called F1 fans.
oilspill said:
Button was cleary pushed hard by an equal team mate, as opposed to having Barrichello moving over or faking gearbox problems. Not to mention having the whole car and team designed for him, data witheld etc.
Was this before or after Button shot Kennedy from the grassy knoll and Brawn drove a Fiat Uno through a Paris tunnel?Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff