compulsory pit stops
Discussion
There has been a lot of discussion on some F1 websites (e.g. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/01/18/should-drive... ) about the possible introduction of compulsory pitstops, becuase now with the refueling ban "it might get boring" (according to the FIA). (possibly paraphrasing there).
What do people here think?
I would hate to see the potential for a no-stopper ruined by a compulsory pit stop. Even worse would be toruing car style "you must pit twice each race". I dont understand how making a situation more predictable will add any excitment.
What do people here think?
I would hate to see the potential for a no-stopper ruined by a compulsory pit stop. Even worse would be toruing car style "you must pit twice each race". I dont understand how making a situation more predictable will add any excitment.
It's effectively compulsory anyway because the rule where each driver must use both compunds of tyre still stands.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
However, it seems they're thinking of making it compulsory to make 2 stops which would take away a tactical element of the race. e.g smooth drivers being able to make their tyres last sufficiently to make just 1 stop, and therby gaining an advantage over the overly aggressive drivers who might have to make 2 stops anyway.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
However, it seems they're thinking of making it compulsory to make 2 stops which would take away a tactical element of the race. e.g smooth drivers being able to make their tyres last sufficiently to make just 1 stop, and therby gaining an advantage over the overly aggressive drivers who might have to make 2 stops anyway.
Edited by sstw on Monday 18th January 12:11
sstw said:
It's effectively compulsory anyway because the rule where each driver must use both compunds of tyre still stands.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
However, it seems they're thinking of making it compulsory to make 2 stops which would take away a tactical element of the race. e.g smooth drivers being able to make their tyres last sufficiently to make just 1 stop, and therby gaining an advantage over the overly aggressive drivers who might have to make 2 stops anyway.
I can't believe they're still keeping that rule!http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
However, it seems they're thinking of making it compulsory to make 2 stops which would take away a tactical element of the race. e.g smooth drivers being able to make their tyres last sufficiently to make just 1 stop, and therby gaining an advantage over the overly aggressive drivers who might have to make 2 stops anyway.
Edited by sstw on Monday 18th January 12:11
mmm-five said:
I think there should be a driver change too - with a mandatory break for a fag (unfiltered Senior Service/Woodbine/Players for all) and a shot of your national spirit (i.e. vodka for the Russians, grappa for the Italians, cognac for the French, whisky for the Scottish, etc.).
or follow the VSCC rules.where there is an option of 2 drivers, but only 1 driver doing the entire race, then he must get out and walk (not run) around the car before getting in the same side he got out.
DangerousMike said:
There has been a lot of discussion on some F1 websites (e.g. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/01/18/should-drive... ) about the possible introduction of compulsory pitstops, becuase now with the refueling ban "it might get boring" (according to the FIA). (possibly paraphrasing there).
What do people here think?
Boring?! Did, presumably Jean Todt, ever watch any pre-1994 racing?! And WTF do think happened to F1 when refuelling was introduced and passing in the pits became the favoured strategy? It relative to the speed and excitement of racing a car at 200mph, it became the most boring motor-sport on Earth!What do people here think?
Idiots.
Yet more evidence that F1 needs to be run by the fans/a fan...
mattikake said:
DangerousMike said:
There has been a lot of discussion on some F1 websites (e.g. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/01/18/should-drive... ) about the possible introduction of compulsory pitstops, becuase now with the refueling ban "it might get boring" (according to the FIA). (possibly paraphrasing there).
What do people here think?
Boring?! Did, presumably Jean Todt, ever watch any pre-1994 racing?! And WTF do think happened to F1 when refuelling was introduced and passing in the pits became the favoured strategy? It relative to the speed and excitement of racing a car at 200mph, it became the most boring motor-sport on Earth!What do people here think?
Idiots.
Yet more evidence that F1 needs to be run by the fans/a fan...
Better to give the teams as many options to be different as possible, different strategy = exciting race. If they allowed turbos as well
races with people on different tyre strategies, coupled with people running differing boost levels to eak out performance or fuelmattikake said:
DangerousMike said:
There has been a lot of discussion on some F1 websites (e.g. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/01/18/should-drive... ) about the possible introduction of compulsory pitstops, becuase now with the refueling ban "it might get boring" (according to the FIA). (possibly paraphrasing there).
What do people here think?
Boring?! Did, presumably Jean Todt, ever watch any pre-1994 racing?! And WTF do think happened to F1 when refuelling was introduced and passing in the pits became the favoured strategy? It relative to the speed and excitement of racing a car at 200mph, it became the most boring motor-sport on Earth!What do people here think?
Idiots.
Yet more evidence that F1 needs to be run by the fans/a fan...
I think they should be able to run without a stop if they choose, and there should actually be an encouragement to do so by slowing down the tyre change by having one person per corner maximum.
mmm-five said:
I think there should be a driver change too - with a mandatory break for a fag (unfiltered Senior Service/Woodbine/Players for all) and a shot of your national spirit (i.e. vodka for the Russians, grappa for the Italians, cognac for the French, whisky for the Scottish, Kestrel Super Strength for the English etc.).
AFA (added for accuracy)andyps said:
I think they should be able to run without a stop if they choose, and there should actually be an encouragement to do so by slowing down the tyre change by having one person per corner maximum.
Sounds good, and as they are talking about a single motor/gearbox rule, why not a single pit crew rule, they all have to use Kwik-Fit 
I think insisting on a two stop strategy would be wrong. However, the insistence to make at least one stop to ensure both tyre compounds are used could be a stroke of genius to spice up the racing.
At the moment, fuel weight has more of a bearing on performance than tyre wear. So most front runners all stop within 3 or 4 laps of each other.
Scenario 1: imagine if Button can squeeze a few extra laps out of his tyres and jump ahead of Hamilton. He won't know this until the others pit, so it will become a 'realtime' driver decision, not a pre-race team decision.
Scenario 2: we are at Monaco. Alonso leads Hamilton, Schumacher and Rosberg. They all started on the hard tyre, but performance is declining rapidly. None of them want to stop, as they'll rejoin behind the 7th placed car, so they carry on. In the meantime, Trulli in the Lotus, who poked the car into the top ten in qualifying for the first time, decides to pit early and gives himself the soft tyres ten laps before the front runners. In those ten laps, he makes up 12 seconds. After the leaders start giving up on their game of poker and pit,Trulli emerges in the top four.
However, in the meantime there is a safety car, the field bunches up. Most of the drivers pit, but USF1, desperate for publicity, decide to keep Ricky Bobby, who switched from softs to hards after a first lap adjustment to his restrictor plate, out on worn tyres. He leads, albeit at 6 seconds off the pace, but doesn't need to stop again. Non-one can get past and he wins.
Well, I think it is feasible..
At the moment, fuel weight has more of a bearing on performance than tyre wear. So most front runners all stop within 3 or 4 laps of each other.
Scenario 1: imagine if Button can squeeze a few extra laps out of his tyres and jump ahead of Hamilton. He won't know this until the others pit, so it will become a 'realtime' driver decision, not a pre-race team decision.
Scenario 2: we are at Monaco. Alonso leads Hamilton, Schumacher and Rosberg. They all started on the hard tyre, but performance is declining rapidly. None of them want to stop, as they'll rejoin behind the 7th placed car, so they carry on. In the meantime, Trulli in the Lotus, who poked the car into the top ten in qualifying for the first time, decides to pit early and gives himself the soft tyres ten laps before the front runners. In those ten laps, he makes up 12 seconds. After the leaders start giving up on their game of poker and pit,Trulli emerges in the top four.
However, in the meantime there is a safety car, the field bunches up. Most of the drivers pit, but USF1, desperate for publicity, decide to keep Ricky Bobby, who switched from softs to hards after a first lap adjustment to his restrictor plate, out on worn tyres. He leads, albeit at 6 seconds off the pace, but doesn't need to stop again. Non-one can get past and he wins.
Well, I think it is feasible..
mmm-five said:
I think there should be a driver change too - with a mandatory break for a fag (unfiltered Senior Service/Woodbine/Players for all) and a shot of your national spirit (i.e. vodka for the Russians, grappa for the Italians, cognac for the French, whisky for the Scottish, etc.).
And when they come in for tyres they should get out of the car, grab a coffee from a vending machine, read an old knackered motoring mag, before paying for the tyres with their credit card and resuming the race.Me I'd be a bit more radical with the rule changes.
The car must fit in a 500cm long 180cm wide and 100cm tall box. You'll race 200 miles or 2 hours whichever happens sooner. Your car must be able to crash in any direction at 150 mph without killing the driver.
Now stop fannying around and get on with it.
The car must fit in a 500cm long 180cm wide and 100cm tall box. You'll race 200 miles or 2 hours whichever happens sooner. Your car must be able to crash in any direction at 150 mph without killing the driver.
Now stop fannying around and get on with it.
Redlake27 said:
Scenario 1: imagine if Button can squeeze a few extra laps out of his tyres and jump ahead of Hamilton. He won't know this until the others pit, so it will become a 'realtime' driver decision, not a pre-race team decision.
There won't be much of this 'jumping ahead' any more. This was facilitated due to differing car weights as driver a came in to pit to refuel up, whereas the car behind is low on fuel and is hence around a second a lap (or more) quicker. This will no longer be the case as the weights of the cars will be largely the same due to no refuelling.Redlake27 said:
Scenario 2: we are at Monaco. Alonso leads Hamilton, Schumacher and Rosberg. They all started on the hard tyre, but performance is declining rapidly. None of them want to stop, as they'll rejoin behind the 7th placed car, so they carry on. In the meantime, Trulli in the Lotus, who poked the car into the top ten in qualifying for the first time, decides to pit early and gives himself the soft tyres ten laps before the front runners. In those ten laps, he makes up 12 seconds. After the leaders start giving up on their game of poker and pit,Trulli emerges in the top four.
However, in the meantime there is a safety car, the field bunches up. Most of the drivers pit, but USF1, desperate for publicity, decide to keep Ricky Bobby, who switched from softs to hards after a first lap adjustment to his restrictor plate, out on worn tyres. He leads, albeit at 6 seconds off the pace, but doesn't need to stop again. Non-one can get past and he wins.
Well, I think it is feasible..
I don't - in both of those scenarios the soft tyres will be toast. Remember Hamilton before he stuck it in the gravel on entering the pit? He was so far off the pace on his blistered tyres he was going backwards.However, in the meantime there is a safety car, the field bunches up. Most of the drivers pit, but USF1, desperate for publicity, decide to keep Ricky Bobby, who switched from softs to hards after a first lap adjustment to his restrictor plate, out on worn tyres. He leads, albeit at 6 seconds off the pace, but doesn't need to stop again. Non-one can get past and he wins.
Well, I think it is feasible..
I think it should be compulsory for a driver to make a pitstop, jump out of the car hold a broom above his head and spin around 30 times whilst looking at the brush, then (try and) get back in the car.
Like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTmEnPsr_A0
Like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTmEnPsr_A0
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