F1 Stewarding in 2010
Discussion
Can I just say how much better the stewarding seems to be this year?
In the last couple of years, we've seen a few cases where the stewards have come under fire for being too heavy-handed or inconsistent (or just plain crooked
). So far this year, we've seen only a few penalties and more 'reprimands', letting the drivers get on with racing.
Thoughts, people?
In the last couple of years, we've seen a few cases where the stewards have come under fire for being too heavy-handed or inconsistent (or just plain crooked
). So far this year, we've seen only a few penalties and more 'reprimands', letting the drivers get on with racing. Thoughts, people?
It does seem to have made a huge step forward.
For example, it would have been wrong to penalise either Hamilton or Vettel today. I don't consider the release to have been unsafe, when McLaren's lollypop man looked into the pitlane there would have been nobody there.
Yes, Hamilton probably should have backed out of it and conceded the postition. But, also from Vettel's on board you can clearly seem him look right, spot Hamilton and then squeeze him right towards the pit apron.
They were both equally wrong and to punish them both would just be bad news for the sport.
For example, it would have been wrong to penalise either Hamilton or Vettel today. I don't consider the release to have been unsafe, when McLaren's lollypop man looked into the pitlane there would have been nobody there.
Yes, Hamilton probably should have backed out of it and conceded the postition. But, also from Vettel's on board you can clearly seem him look right, spot Hamilton and then squeeze him right towards the pit apron.
They were both equally wrong and to punish them both would just be bad news for the sport.
him_over_there said:
We will see if PH likes the calls when it isn't a Mclaren driver getting away with it all :P
Yeah cos Alonso and Massa tripping over each other on the way in wouldn't be similar at all? Is it not the case that crossing the white lines is the same on the way in as on the way out and therefore punishable? Leave it the way it is, makes it more interesting, too much meddling with results in the past, let them race!Gary
Blue Meanie said:
Huge step forward having drivers in the box, rather than numpties with no experience.
I think it would be unfair to describe Stewards as numpties. However, I would reckon that many felt intimidated by pressure from the FIA (under Mad Max) and acquiesed to the dictates of that body.Ex-Drivers would be less easily intimidated - and I reckon Todt (being an ex-competitor himself)is applying a light touch regime which is allowing the Stewards to apply more discretion.
Martin Keene said:
It does seem to have made a huge step forward.
For example, it would have been wrong to penalise either Hamilton or Vettel today. I don't consider the release to have been unsafe, when McLaren's lollypop man looked into the pitlane there would have been nobody there.
Yes, Hamilton probably should have backed out of it and conceded the postition. But, also from Vettel's on board you can clearly seem him look right, spot Hamilton and then squeeze him right towards the pit apron.
They were both equally wrong and to punish them both would just be bad news for the sport.
Might have been safer for the pit crew that Hamilton narrowly avoided though. I would have liked to have seen a penalty for Vettel for his move right. (and no, I'm not a Hamilton fan).For example, it would have been wrong to penalise either Hamilton or Vettel today. I don't consider the release to have been unsafe, when McLaren's lollypop man looked into the pitlane there would have been nobody there.
Yes, Hamilton probably should have backed out of it and conceded the postition. But, also from Vettel's on board you can clearly seem him look right, spot Hamilton and then squeeze him right towards the pit apron.
They were both equally wrong and to punish them both would just be bad news for the sport.
this year does seem to be a refreshing change to the norm (of previous years)
I think it was right to reprimand both Lewis and Sebastian for the pit lane 'race', it was not so much an un-safe release as just being childish, Lewis should have given way, Sebastian should have kept left.
I also applauded the use of the driving std's flag for Lewis, irrespective if you think he was right or wrong, it was a clear warning that it was not acceptable without screwing up the race with some overly heavy handed penalty.
I would like to think that Alonso got 'spoken to' over his overtake on Massa too, that was un-called for IMHO.
with luck, in time it will settle down to some decent fair racing as the drivers and stewards come to clear understandings on this stuff....
I think it was right to reprimand both Lewis and Sebastian for the pit lane 'race', it was not so much an un-safe release as just being childish, Lewis should have given way, Sebastian should have kept left.
I also applauded the use of the driving std's flag for Lewis, irrespective if you think he was right or wrong, it was a clear warning that it was not acceptable without screwing up the race with some overly heavy handed penalty.
I would like to think that Alonso got 'spoken to' over his overtake on Massa too, that was un-called for IMHO.
with luck, in time it will settle down to some decent fair racing as the drivers and stewards come to clear understandings on this stuff....
jaf01uk said:
him_over_there said:
We will see if PH likes the calls when it isn't a Mclaren driver getting away with it all :P
Yeah cos Alonso and Massa tripping over each other on the way in wouldn't be similar at all? Is it not the case that crossing the white lines is the same on the way in as on the way out and therefore punishable? Leave it the way it is, makes it more interesting, too much meddling with results in the past, let them race!Gary
thought i'd add balance to the argument.
homer3uk said:
jaf01uk said:
him_over_there said:
We will see if PH likes the calls when it isn't a Mclaren driver getting away with it all :P
Yeah cos Alonso and Massa tripping over each other on the way in wouldn't be similar at all? Is it not the case that crossing the white lines is the same on the way in as on the way out and therefore punishable? Leave it the way it is, makes it more interesting, too much meddling with results in the past, let them race!Gary
thought i'd add balance to the argument.
HereBeMonsters said:
Martin Keene said:
It does seem to have made a huge step forward.
For example, it would have been wrong to penalise either Hamilton or Vettel today. I don't consider the release to have been unsafe, when McLaren's lollypop man looked into the pitlane there would have been nobody there.
Yes, Hamilton probably should have backed out of it and conceded the postition. But, also from Vettel's on board you can clearly seem him look right, spot Hamilton and then squeeze him right towards the pit apron.
They were both equally wrong and to punish them both would just be bad news for the sport.
Might have been safer for the pit crew that Hamilton narrowly avoided though. I would have liked to have seen a penalty for Vettel for his move right. (and no, I'm not a Hamilton fan).For example, it would have been wrong to penalise either Hamilton or Vettel today. I don't consider the release to have been unsafe, when McLaren's lollypop man looked into the pitlane there would have been nobody there.
Yes, Hamilton probably should have backed out of it and conceded the postition. But, also from Vettel's on board you can clearly seem him look right, spot Hamilton and then squeeze him right towards the pit apron.
They were both equally wrong and to punish them both would just be bad news for the sport.
Remember this,
No penalty
2010
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xczq9i_formula1-c...
Penalty
2009
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xabr1m_webberheid...
there was no 25m line ruling in 2009, but there is in 2010, Webber gets more wheel spin or is slow out of the box, but Hamilton is quicker and comes out even later…
Is that a double standard because its Hamilton, because it’s a Brit or because its Mclaren ?
Ryan In Melbourne.
Edited by ezakimak on Tuesday 20th April 14:41
jaf01uk said:
Is it not the case that crossing the white lines is the same on the way in as on the way out and therefore punishable?
Thats what i thought, didnt even look like hamilton was comming into the pits (from the coverage we get donw under) and then the next thing i see is him defending up the inside. were they both comming in or was it a last minuet thing on Hamiltons part.WHat would have been the result if someone had been pushed into the gravel trap and it ended the race for them, do you think there would have been a penalty ?
ezakimak said:
WHat would have been the result if someone had been pushed into the gravel trap and it ended the race for them, do you think there would have been a penalty ?
I guess it would depend on exactly what happened. Massa ended up on the grass when Alonso passed him, but there was no contact and it didn't deserve a penalty in my opinion.Scuffers said:
this year does seem to be a refreshing change to the norm (of previous years)
I think it was right to reprimand both Lewis and Sebastian for the pit lane 'race', it was not so much an un-safe release as just being childish, Lewis should have given way, Sebastian should have kept left.
I would have to watch this particular part of the race again to be sure, but AFAIK, once Hamilton was released and realized Vettel was to his left, he was already well at speed and didn't have much room to "back out" and no other option than to stay with him until there was more room to his right, which he then used to back out. Breaking wasn't quite an option I think, as his front left tyre looked awfully close and inbetween Vettels front-right and rear-right tyre. At the very least, it must have looked like an extremely close call through Hamiltons helmet.I think it was right to reprimand both Lewis and Sebastian for the pit lane 'race', it was not so much an un-safe release as just being childish, Lewis should have given way, Sebastian should have kept left.
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