FIA Legalises adjustable aerodynamics!!!!!!!!
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
Don't know about the rest of you but I didn't see this one coming!
I always thought moveable aero was never,ever, going to be brought into F1! Not after all the hoo-haa about safety with the Ground effect cars of the 1970's!
This...could...be very intresting!
Don't know about the rest of you but I didn't see this one coming!
I always thought moveable aero was never,ever, going to be brought into F1! Not after all the hoo-haa about safety with the Ground effect cars of the 1970's!
This...could...be very intresting!
It doesn't make sense to do this with wings, when KERS is coming back. The rule is you have to be within a second of the car in front, but is that at the start of the lap, at the point you deploy or what? How does the driver measure this? What about 3 cars or more in a train, can the middle car deploy or not?
Is one second the right number all the time? Probably not. Is the amount of adjustability required to make the system 'fair' the same all the time? Probably not. My definition of fair is that the adjustments removes the effect of the leading car on the performance of the following car. Witha KERS based system a clever computer could measure distance to the car in front and the effect of the wake and allow KERS to negate the effect. A much more elegant solution than giving the driver a whole heap more things to consider during their race.
Is one second the right number all the time? Probably not. Is the amount of adjustability required to make the system 'fair' the same all the time? Probably not. My definition of fair is that the adjustments removes the effect of the leading car on the performance of the following car. Witha KERS based system a clever computer could measure distance to the car in front and the effect of the wake and allow KERS to negate the effect. A much more elegant solution than giving the driver a whole heap more things to consider during their race.
Oily Nails said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
Don't know about the rest of you but I didn't see this one coming!
I always thought moveable aero was never,ever, going to be brought into F1! Not after all the hoo-haa about safety with the Ground effect cars of the 1970's!
This...could...be very intresting!
The ground effect cars were used between 1977 and 1982. The ban on moveable aerodynamic devices predates this by almost a decade. It was introduced in 1969 when the original generation of wings had grown outlandishly tall and spindly and extremely fragile. Matters came to a head following a series of wing failures at the Spanish GP in 1969 resulting in a ban on tall, moveable wings being put in place before the next GP, Monaco.Don't know about the rest of you but I didn't see this one coming!
I always thought moveable aero was never,ever, going to be brought into F1! Not after all the hoo-haa about safety with the Ground effect cars of the 1970's!
This...could...be very intresting!
This is what these tall, moveable wings looked like in their last race before banning. This is Jochen Rindt in the Lotus 49
Yep this seems like yet more 'trinketry' to artificially spice things up. Following car can adjust Aero for bla bla seconds. Lead car can't. Not in first couple of laps etc etc.
I want racing and overtaking, but not created in some artificial way. You may as well turn it into a 'DeathRace' scenario, with sensors on the track which either slow you down or give you boost. (Not guns though.
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I wish they'd stop messing with the frills and just give them very fast, reduced aero-dependant, F1 cars.
I want racing and overtaking, but not created in some artificial way. You may as well turn it into a 'DeathRace' scenario, with sensors on the track which either slow you down or give you boost. (Not guns though.
)I wish they'd stop messing with the frills and just give them very fast, reduced aero-dependant, F1 cars.
Edited by Fire99 on Thursday 24th June 09:03
Just as F1 has been getting better for a few years on it's own merits.
Why change a good thing? Why devalue any good racing that may happen anyway when this is introduced.
We have circular debates in this forum all the time, the answer to the "better racing" debate always seems to be decent circuits and limit the aero coming off the back of the car.
The bit that really disgusts me about this decision is that it has been made purely to aid overtaking. Not to help F1.
Why change a good thing? Why devalue any good racing that may happen anyway when this is introduced.
We have circular debates in this forum all the time, the answer to the "better racing" debate always seems to be decent circuits and limit the aero coming off the back of the car.
The bit that really disgusts me about this decision is that it has been made purely to aid overtaking. Not to help F1.
garycat said:
Totally stupid idea IMHO. The drivers already have enough knobs & buttons on their steering wheels to play with without adding extra ones.
In the recent past, people have been complaining that drivers never need to take their hands of the wheel (no gear lever). Maybe they should insist that the wing adjuster is mounted as a separate lever in the cockpit FORCING the driver to take their hand of the wheel to make the change.Alternatively, they should have a Sudoko Puzzle appear on the LDC display on a random basis for ten seconds each lap forcing the driver to make an entry or suffer a drive through penalty.
Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 24th June 09:47
Eric Mc said:
In the recent past, people have been complaining that drivers never need to take their hjands of the whell (no gear lever)
...and when Ferrari's rear-wing-airflow-device needed them to take their hand of the wheel, people complained about that too.Generally, people complain.
We were talking about this at work yesterday. Can't remember which F1 engineer was quoted, but they said 'the only way to remove the wake effect is to ban aerofoils'
Can anyone suggest a reason why they couldn't delete the wings and bring a larger element of ground effect back in? All they would need is to legislate a 'keel' with wear limits like a plank into the floor of the car to prevent ground contact and the corresponding catastrophic loss of downforce. That and probably a drop in power to match the drop in drag.
Can anyone suggest a reason why they couldn't delete the wings and bring a larger element of ground effect back in? All they would need is to legislate a 'keel' with wear limits like a plank into the floor of the car to prevent ground contact and the corresponding catastrophic loss of downforce. That and probably a drop in power to match the drop in drag.
wtf? why make it so complicated - how do you define being within a second of someone when the gap changes at every point around the circuit and why can't you use it for the first two laps?
not that it will make bugger all difference, we've already seen that with the front wings. they do nothing for overtaking, drivers just use it to trim their balance.
not that it will make bugger all difference, we've already seen that with the front wings. they do nothing for overtaking, drivers just use it to trim their balance.
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