Monza 1991

[rhysenna]

Interesting that after everything that has been going on concerning Ferrari team orders we get coverage of the Italian GP 1991 on the BBC F1 website.

I'm not saying that's why it's on but an interesting comparison with what we have now and what has always happened. Gerhard Berger move's over to let Senna through to finish 2nd in the race.

Was it an instruction from the pit's or Berger knowing what he had to do?

Also Mansell letting Ricardo through to challenge Senna. Can you imagine Lewis letting Jenson passed so he can challenge Webber?

Plus, does any know the title of the music they used to run when they did the grid?

[patmahe]

Team orders have always been part of F1 , it wasn't until the media latched onto the Schumacher/Barrichello incident, at Austria 2002(I think) that it became such and issue. I think it was more the obvious and distasteful way it was done that annoyed people and also the fact that it was done at a time of the season when there were still plenty of points to play for so not strictly necessary.

Team orders are and should be part of F1 but I think the problem occurs when both drivers are still potentially in contention for the championship, and yet the team deliberately favours one driver at all times, like in the Schumacher/Barrichello era.

[VladD]

Ground effects used to be part of F1, but now they're illegal. TC used to be part of F1, but now it's illegal. Team orders used to be part of F1.......

[patmahe]

VladD said:

Ground effects used to be part of F1, but now they're illegal. TC used to be part of F1, but now it's illegal. Team orders used to be part of F1.......

Yes but in the case of team orders it isn't a tangible entity, you can check a car to see if it uses ground effect, you can check software to see if traction control is being used, what you cannot do is monitor a conversation that is had behind closed doors where someone decides ok if we say mix9 that means we want you to slow down and let your team mate pass.

If someone is very blatant and says 'Felipe please allow Fernando through' then that is a team order and is against the rules, if someone says 'Felipe mix 9' then it is merely an instruction, it is very difficult to police, almost impossible.

I'm not saying its right, I want to see all drivers racing for all they are worth, but the reality is that it is so difficult to police, having the rule almost creates more problems than it solves.

I would also say that I have no problems with team orders in a championship situation, but I do have a problem where a team always favours one driver whenever possible, like Ferrari always did with Schumacher.