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Rouleur

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7,415 posts

218 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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The thread about the TWR BMW got me thinking about Tom himself and his activities over the years. I couldn't help thinking that plenty of PHers may have a story or two to tell, so let's have 'em...

Dr Derek Doctors

8,422 posts

222 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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While I worked at JLR any mention of him and the XJ220 project was met with stern words and angry looks

Mazda Baiter

37,069 posts

217 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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A while ago someone on here posted two stories.

One was about an inflatable bladder in the fuel tanks of the SD1/XJS that the driver inflated via a tube in the cockpit on the slowing down lap. This allowed them extra fuel capacity yet they passed the scrutineering test.

The other was about TWR flying a couple of fabricators to Paris one night to modify the rear arches on an XJS. The FIA visited the Paris Jaguar showroom the next day to measure the "standard" car for homologation reasons.

rubystone

11,254 posts

288 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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Dr Derek Doctors said:
While I worked at JLR any mention of him and the XJ220 project was met with stern words and angry looks
would JLR be Jonathan Lewis Racing?...if so, I bet you have some stories of your own you could tell us.... :-)

Dr Derek Doctors

8,422 posts

222 months

Wednesday 6th October 2010
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rubystone said:
Dr Derek Doctors said:
While I worked at JLR any mention of him and the XJ220 project was met with stern words and angry looks
would JLR be Jonathan Lewis Racing?...if so, I bet you have some stories of your own you could tell us.... :-)
nah, the real JLR..., Jaguar Land Rover

456lbft

321 posts

256 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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rubystone said:
Dr Derek Doctors said:
While I worked at JLR any mention of him and the XJ220 project was met with stern words and angry looks
would JLR be Jonathan Lewis Racing?...if so, I bet you have some stories of your own you could tell us.... :-)
Hi Rubes, your mention of JL brought on some stern looks and angry words of my own...TW though, well I have heard some fabulous stories about him, someone should write a book (once his lawyers have all retired). He never owed me a penny though, even when TWR went down. I must have been lucky!

Rouleur

Original Poster:

7,415 posts

218 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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Care to share any of those stories? Don't be shy, nobody ever reads PH anyway wink

rubystone

11,254 posts

288 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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Dr Derek Doctors said:
nah, the real JLR..., Jaguar Land Rover
lol, shame...

I'm sure it was Win Percy that told me that the front wings on the TWR XJS didn't errrm...exactly conform to the standard....

chevronb37

6,472 posts

215 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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One of my friend's fathers handled the TWR administration. I remember visiting their house and the place was full of awesome kit - I remember an XJR14 windtunnel model in the living room. Bet he has some stories to tell as well...

Derek Smith

49,703 posts

277 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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I heard one story, unfortunately I can't remember the driver, possibly Hill?

TW phoned a driver whilst on holiday in Iberia offereing him a post as driver for Arrows. It was pointed out that there was a fair old distance between the TWR factory and the specific part of the penninsular. No problem, say TE, I'll send my private jet.

Driver is picked up, flown to England, picked up by chauffeur driven car, then dropped off at the factory. After a very pleasant meal, he is shown around the business and is awe-struck. And then signs on the dotted.

He then asks TW for a flight home. TW sayd that now he is an employee he can find his own way back to Spain.


snailpace85

27 posts

203 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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I was marshalling at a 2 day meeting at Donington way back in the mid 80s. Saturday had gone fine and I turned up on post on the Sunday morning bright and early. The main topic of conversation was the big increase in security that we'd had to go through to get in compared to the previous day. The story went -

TWR had presented their cars at scrutineering. They knew that the inner wheel arches would be checked but had twigged that the scruineers would measure the inner arches from the suspension pick up points. They had modified the suspension pick up points to match the modification of the wheel arches. They got caught out because the scrutineers did a more extensive measuring job than normal. The explanation was then that the cars had been built with third world spec body shells that have larger wheel clearance than the UK spec cars. Apparently there had been a certain amount of uproar in the paddock about this. That evening some wag took a spray can and wrote 'TWR = Third World Racing' on one of their vehicles. Hence the extra security that morning.

Seems like wheel arches could be a theme. Needless to say, I can't vouch for the accuracy of the story - it was at least 3rd hand by the time it reached me. What it did teach me was that motor racing is not simply a load of nice chaps turning up to run nice cars that they just happen to possess!

Scott

rubystone

11,254 posts

288 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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snailpace85 said:
I was marshalling at a 2 day meeting at Donington way back in the mid 80s. Saturday had gone fine and I turned up on post on the Sunday morning bright and early. The main topic of conversation was the big increase in security that we'd had to go through to get in compared to the previous day. The story went -

TWR had presented their cars at scrutineering. They knew that the inner wheel arches would be checked but had twigged that the scruineers would measure the inner arches from the suspension pick up points. They had modified the suspension pick up points to match the modification of the wheel arches. They got caught out because the scrutineers did a more extensive measuring job than normal. The explanation was then that the cars had been built with third world spec body shells that have larger wheel clearance than the UK spec cars. Apparently there had been a certain amount of uproar in the paddock about this. That evening some wag took a spray can and wrote 'TWR = Third World Racing' on one of their vehicles. Hence the extra security that morning.

Seems like wheel arches could be a theme. Needless to say, I can't vouch for the accuracy of the story - it was at least 3rd hand by the time it reached me. What it did teach me was that motor racing is not simply a load of nice chaps turning up to run nice cars that they just happen to possess!

Scott
there was also some doubt as to the production line nature of the Vitesses too...

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

262 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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Like with a number of people, the greatest true tales will not be out until more than a couple of people are 6 feet down.


rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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I was told of someone who bought of of the ex works twr sd1's and noticed the cracked windscreen .. and ordered a new screen .. which when attempted to be fitted passed straight thru the apature with inches to spare on both sides..

Charlie Foxtrot

3,275 posts

244 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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rev-erend said:
I was told of someone who bought of of the ex works twr sd1's and noticed the cracked windscreen .. and ordered a new screen .. which when attempted to be fitted passed straight thru the apature with inches to spare on both sides..
there is a similar story that tim harvey wrote in EVO last year. When Matt Neill won a drive in a works nissan they intended to transfers some of his body panels so that he still had his colour sceme and sponsors. When offering up a door to the new shell it was 1.5 inches taller than the door frame.

BMR

962 posts

207 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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snailpace85 said:
Seems like wheel arches could be a theme. Needless to say, I can't vouch for the accuracy of the story - it was at least 3rd hand by the time it reached me. What it did teach me was that motor racing is not simply a load of nice chaps turning up to run nice cars that they just happen to possess!
And it is amazing how far down the ladder there are some dodgy goings on!

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

262 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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Charlie Foxtrot said:
rev-erend said:
I was told of someone who bought of of the ex works twr sd1's and noticed the cracked windscreen .. and ordered a new screen .. which when attempted to be fitted passed straight thru the apature with inches to spare on both sides..
there is a similar story that tim harvey wrote in EVO last year. When Matt Neill won a drive in a works nissan they intended to transfers some of his body panels so that he still had his colour sceme and sponsors. When offering up a door to the new shell it was 1.5 inches taller than the door frame.
And the other version, which is known to be true of the Volvo that went to Bathurst, windscreen damaged and they thought they would just fit anouth from the local dealer - once measured the whole car was 4/5 scale...

rubystone

11,254 posts

288 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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I heard that the SearsSopwith 1958 gig was fixed too...

flemke

23,481 posts

266 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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I could talk about more than one small operator that was nearly put out of business because that prick didn't pay the money that he owed them.

Mark A S

2,092 posts

217 months

Thursday 7th October 2010
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The “increased” inner wheel arch was not uncommon in Gp A cars of the period, I remember seeing a German make of car bodyshell being prepped, amazing how much “new” metal there was here and there!

On the Subject of TWR, I was told that the Works Vittesse’s, had there RV8 engines replaced through the bulkhead for correct size displacement versions, this was because the scrutineers had sealed the bonnet!

Ingenious, all of it, what ever way you look at it.