RE: VW Motorsport - A Toss-Up Between NASCAR and F1
RE: VW Motorsport - A Toss-Up Between NASCAR and F1
Wednesday 20th October 2010

VW Motorsport - A Toss-Up Between NASCAR and F1

Car giant will decide motorsport strategy in November



VW's possible plans to enter F1, which we told you about back in May, will be 'discussed' in November, according to the company's motorsport representative, Hans-Joachim Stuck - along with the possibility of entering NASCAR.

The German giant (that's VW, not Stuck) has been rumoured to be eyeing F1 when the engine regulations change in 2013, possibly with a Porsche or Audi branded team.

Stuck told the Financial Times Deutschland, however, that he would not comment on the speculation other than to say that a meeting in November is planned "in which the (company's) strategy will be discussed".

He did also say that a VW entry into NASCAR was actually more likely - so VW's future involvement in F1 is far from certain.

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georgetuk

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205 posts

244 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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What a strange course to plot, should imagine it will be down to cost, NASCAR is expensive but not F1.

Maybe they will hope the costs of F1 come down a bit in the meantime.

Muzzer

3,814 posts

247 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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Passats racing at 200mph round Daytona?

scratchchin

Dr Derek Doctors

8,422 posts

219 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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The yanks wont like that!

A V8 with 40 Valves, FSI and only 4.2L! Witchcraft!

Ozone

3,087 posts

213 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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Dr Derek Doctors said:
The yanks wont like that!

A V8 with 40 Valves, FSI and only 4.2L! Witchcraft!
rofl

lionrampant

577 posts

216 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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This could really up VW's brand image. That is, if they go down the F1 route. Tie it in with that "green" roadster they were talking about doing and well...

Bada Bing!

951 posts

253 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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Are rednecks really going to want to buy a Kraut-Wagon even if Billy Bobson Jr is winning in one every weekend? I reckon Indians, Russians and Chinamen are far more likely to buy them if they do well in F1 though.

Dodgey_Rog

2,024 posts

286 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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(cough) Sauber......

Dunk1982

429 posts

204 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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VW in NASCAR don't see why not? Bloody Toyota managed it and are doing well with the Camry. I have alot of American friends who are into their VWs in a big way, could also bring a new crowd to NASCAR something of which they need. (Although thats more down to the racing being regulated too heavily that lost them fans) as far as I know anyway. smile

carsnapper

335 posts

267 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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VAG in NASCAR?! That's just so wrong. F1 suits their direction a lot better.

german tony

2,000 posts

234 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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Porsche might, just might, shift more stock with an F1 programme but I doubt it'll pay for itself & in any case they don't seem to have much trouble shifting their wares right now without an active F1 programme.

2 premium car manufacturers have left F1 recently (BMW & Jaguar) having realised that the sport just isn't cost effective meaning there is no point in Audi getting involved. Similarly there is no point in VW going somewhere that both Honda & Toyota have left.

Which leaves Nascar, where Toyota, a major competitor for VW, is.

If I was a betting man I'd stick my wedge on that option.

collateral

7,238 posts

244 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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georgetuk said:
...NASCAR is expensive but not F1...
Does anyone know how the two compare? I'd guess F1 is much dearer to run, but I don't know

PabloTeK

1,073 posts

201 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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collateral said:
georgetuk said:
...NASCAR is expensive but not F1...
Does anyone know how the two compare? I'd guess F1 is much dearer to run, but I don't know
Per car NASCAR is much cheaper, especially for the Nationwide series, BUT you have about 5-10 cars for different tracks per driver! More powerful for your brand than F1 on, I know of some people base their car choice of whatever wins in NASCAR!

geoffracing

617 posts

201 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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A "people's car" in Nascar or F1 ?!
What next!
Whichever is the most expensive, both are anyway.
VW-Audi don't have any money problem: they keep on buying (Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, and so on, as well as producing new prototypes all the time).
But I don't want to see a racing car with a badge that resembles a Swatika; I'll surely stop looking at F1 races.
And as many around say: motorcycle racing is far more spectacular. This is certain, although I don't like vehicles that can't stand up without having to hold them!

Ed.

2,176 posts

264 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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Ozone said:
Dr Derek Doctors said:
The yanks wont like that!

A V8 with 40 Valves, FSI and only 4.2L! Witchcraft!
rofl
Other way round Nascar uses a 4.6 litre V8 with no electro trickery, do VW remember how to do that?

PabloTeK

1,073 posts

201 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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Ed. said:
Ozone said:
Dr Derek Doctors said:
The yanks wont like that!

A V8 with 40 Valves, FSI and only 4.2L! Witchcraft!
rofl
Other way round Nascar uses a 4.6 litre V8 with no electro trickery, do VW remember how to do that?
I thought it was a 5.8 V8? It gives out around 850BHP and sounds thunderous though cloud9

Ed.

2,176 posts

264 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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PabloTeK said:
Ed. said:
Ozone said:
Dr Derek Doctors said:
The yanks wont like that!

A V8 with 40 Valves, FSI and only 4.2L! Witchcraft!
rofl
Other way round Nascar uses a 4.6 litre V8 with no electro trickery, do VW remember how to do that?
I thought it was a 5.8 V8? It gives out around 850BHP and sounds thunderous though cloud9
My bad, not sure where I pulled that number from? Wonder how many pushrod fans there are in VW R&D?

PabloTeK

1,073 posts

201 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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Ed. said:
PabloTeK said:
Ed. said:
Ozone said:
Dr Derek Doctors said:
The yanks wont like that!

A V8 with 40 Valves, FSI and only 4.2L! Witchcraft!
rofl
Other way round Nascar uses a 4.6 litre V8 with no electro trickery, do VW remember how to do that?
I thought it was a 5.8 V8? It gives out around 850BHP and sounds thunderous though cloud9
My bad, not sure where I pulled that number from? Wonder how many pushrod fans there are in VW R&D?
No idea but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slE9XkAhwo8cloud9

chevronb37

6,472 posts

212 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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Ed. said:
PabloTeK said:
Ed. said:
Ozone said:
Dr Derek Doctors said:
The yanks wont like that!

A V8 with 40 Valves, FSI and only 4.2L! Witchcraft!
rofl
Other way round Nascar uses a 4.6 litre V8 with no electro trickery, do VW remember how to do that?
I thought it was a 5.8 V8? It gives out around 850BHP and sounds thunderous though cloud9
My bad, not sure where I pulled that number from? Wonder how many pushrod fans there are in VW R&D?
Maybe not many at VW, but M-B had that monster pushrod IndyCar engine from 1994 so it's not totally foreign technology to the Europeans. That engine was developed by Ilmor wasn't it?

As far as I know, Toyota is the largest motor manufacturer in the States, with five big plants. By supporting them in NASCAR, the Americans are still actively supporting their domestic motor industry. Don't know about VW's presence out there but they might do well out of a campaign there. Unless the fabled "World Engine" is adopted in F1 then I can't see them entering. Fair play for their recent F3 and off road efforts though. For Signature to beat ART in the Euro Series is a big deal, despite M-B's protestations that they have no works teams.

rocketride

141 posts

188 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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It just seems wrong to see a VW in F1! (dont know if they were in the past) I mean VW's brand is a bit boring/dull right? When anyone says VW i think of that film Equilibrium! VW joining F1 would be as interesting as Wayne Rooney publishing a dictionary. Under a Porsche badge mmmmmm maybe!

Now Lamborghini or Bugatti or Aston Martin joining F1.........??? That i would like to see!!




Edited by rocketride on Wednesday 20th October 15:56

collateral

7,238 posts

244 months

Wednesday 20th October 2010
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afaik VW don't have a pickup truck to sell, so going the NASCAR route might not be worth the effort