Exoskeleton Cars ?
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Sonic7

Original Poster:

164 posts

214 months

Saturday 20th November 2010
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With more and more of these cars coming on to the market, granted many inspired by the Aerial Atom, I was wondering just what if any racing series/category they would qualify for ?

Discuss/Advise please.

nigel

Jungles

3,587 posts

250 months

Saturday 20th November 2010
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Exoskeleton cars?

So do other cars have endoskeletons? tongue out

Sonic7

Original Poster:

164 posts

214 months

Saturday 20th November 2010
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I guess that answers that then, they don't fit into any race series at present ! So its track days only then. Maybe one day they will be allowed to play and compete with all the 7's. Makes me think that the 7 boys are scared of the competition.

nigel

timbo48

688 posts

211 months

Saturday 20th November 2010
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Think there were a couple in a special class of their own tagged onto the end of the GT3 Championship race that supported the FIA GT1s at Silverstone this year. Can't say that I noticed them though, I was shivering so much.

Some Gump

13,018 posts

215 months

Sunday 21st November 2010
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From seeing them at track days I'm not sure an Atom would make the best race car - they appear to be very twitchy, and lethal at the limit. It might just be due to the lower skill level on TD's, but a snappy, rear engined car takes some catching - and during overtaking etc, a lot of inputs are "wrong" from a stability point of view.
It would be interesting to see, but if it was Superlight vs Atom, I'd back the 7 every time!

PabloTeK

1,073 posts

204 months

Sunday 21st November 2010
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Allcomers I guess would be the closest, they have literally every kind of car!

AndyLB

428 posts

193 months

Sunday 21st November 2010
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timbo48 said:
Think there were a couple in a special class of their own tagged onto the end of the GT3 Championship race that supported the FIA GT1s at Silverstone this year. Can't say that I noticed them though, I was shivering so much.
I think these were the KTM X-Bows? Is this classed as an exoskeleton car?

Mazda Baiter

37,069 posts

217 months

Sunday 21st November 2010
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AndyLB said:
timbo48 said:
Think there were a couple in a special class of their own tagged onto the end of the GT3 Championship race that supported the FIA GT1s at Silverstone this year. Can't say that I noticed them though, I was shivering so much.
I think these were the KTM X-Bows? Is this classed as an exoskeleton car?
I'm still struggling to think of an endo skeleton car.

Maybe a Lotus Elan with a backbone chassis could be counted as one.

I think that the OP maybe meant exposed chassis.?

AndyLB

428 posts

193 months

Sunday 21st November 2010
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Mazda Baiter said:
AndyLB said:
timbo48 said:
Think there were a couple in a special class of their own tagged onto the end of the GT3 Championship race that supported the FIA GT1s at Silverstone this year. Can't say that I noticed them though, I was shivering so much.
I think these were the KTM X-Bows? Is this classed as an exoskeleton car?
I'm still struggling to think of an endo skeleton car.

Maybe a Lotus Elan with a backbone chassis could be counted as one.

I think that the OP maybe meant exposed chassis.?
Yeah because aren't all cars with a monocoque technically exoskeleton? I just like saying the word exoskeleton now.

Mazda Baiter

37,069 posts

217 months

Monday 22nd November 2010
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AndyLB said:
Mazda Baiter said:
AndyLB said:
timbo48 said:
Think there were a couple in a special class of their own tagged onto the end of the GT3 Championship race that supported the FIA GT1s at Silverstone this year. Can't say that I noticed them though, I was shivering so much.
I think these were the KTM X-Bows? Is this classed as an exoskeleton car?
I'm still struggling to think of an endo skeleton car.

Maybe a Lotus Elan with a backbone chassis could be counted as one.

I think that the OP maybe meant exposed chassis.?
Yeah because aren't all cars with a monocoque technically exoskeleton? I just like saying the word exoskeleton now.
As I understand it yes. If the structure supports and surrounds the running gear/driver etc then it is exoskeleton.

How would you class a modern single seater with the engine and gearbox as a stressed member. I guess the back half would be endoskeleton yet the monocoque at the front, would be exo.?

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

246 months

Monday 22nd November 2010
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Are these not simply just spaceframe cars?

Mazda Baiter

37,069 posts

217 months

Monday 22nd November 2010
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AndrewW-G said:
Are these not simply just spaceframe cars?
Dervla Kirwan said:
Not just any spaceframe cars, these are exposed spaceframe cars...
hehe

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

246 months

Monday 22nd November 2010
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Mazda Baiter said:
AndrewW-G said:
Are these not simply just spaceframe cars?
Dervla Kirwan said:
Not just any spaceframe cars, these are exposed spaceframe cars...
hehe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5AUm_xaE9Asmile

deemo

35 posts

217 months

Tuesday 23rd November 2010
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AndrewW-G said:
Mazda Baiter said:
AndrewW-G said:
Are these not simply just spaceframe cars?
Dervla Kirwan said:
Not just any spaceframe cars, these are exposed spaceframe cars...
hehe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5AUm_xaE9Asmile
Haha, Made me laugh clap

Regarding the OP's question.
The Atom and Caterham have spaceframed chassis. Surely when it comes to interpreting a race series rulebook it's largely irrelevant whether the chassis is covered in a couple of mm of ally or GRP or not? The way I see it this is a bodywork issue not a chassis one. These are fairly extreme cars and the series they would most likely be eligible are unlikely to have strict bodywork regulations.
Most open series are based on factors such a engine size, modifications, numbers produced, road legality, drive train layout and basic chassis type (steel monocoque, composite monocoque, composite monocoque with engine/gbox as stressed members, spaceframe, Spaceframe silhouette ect)