What do you think the new DRS and tyres have done for racing
Poll: What do you think the new DRS and tyres have done for racing
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I think it's fine and agree with Eric that it should be used whenever they want; mindue it is clear that it is only of benefit on certain tracks. I don't understand the mockery argument; it's just like any other tool on the car designed for racing; if you want to ban DRS because it artificially aids overtaking, you might as well ban KERS, Aero packages, option tyres... hell, just ban the whole car and have the drivers run around the circuit in their full race gear.
ETA The only reason I don't hate it is because everyone is running it (iirc) so it is an even field... if it was the case of the top 4 teams having it I would probably be against it.
ETA The only reason I don't hate it is because everyone is running it (iirc) so it is an even field... if it was the case of the top 4 teams having it I would probably be against it.
Edited by boomboompow on Sunday 10th April 16:06
I don't mind the tyres. It adds an interesting tactical element with conserving them over the weekend.
It's not like they were racing flat out all the time before. Rather just waiting to bang in quick laps in clear air and then pass in the pits.
DRS is a bit gimicky on the face of it and I'm still making up my mind, but it seems to have added another interesting element too and isn't a simple 'free' pass.
It's not like they were racing flat out all the time before. Rather just waiting to bang in quick laps in clear air and then pass in the pits.
DRS is a bit gimicky on the face of it and I'm still making up my mind, but it seems to have added another interesting element too and isn't a simple 'free' pass.
I like the fact the tyres degrade. It adds a bit of 'tactics' in there, the same way that fuel stops did, but with more of an effect on how they drive, and what they can do. It mixes it up a bit, I feel.
The DRS, I don't mind. I think it's a better idea than KERS, as it's not a 'power boost' button so to speak, more like an aero variation. I do think that it is better as it is, and not for the whole lap, otherwise everyone will be using it, so you might as well not bother. It will promote more overtaking, and that's what everyone wants, isn't it?
My only downer on it is that it reminds me a bit like the handicaps you used to have in computer games, that gave the person behind an advantage. Still, as it only works at a certain point, and at a certain time differential, I think it works. It could be refined a little, especially seeing as faulty wings could be an issue, or what if the system doesn't activate? Seems a bit unfair if it is out of their control in that manner. Saying that, who provides the technology for it? The FIA, or is it inhouse to spec?
The DRS, I don't mind. I think it's a better idea than KERS, as it's not a 'power boost' button so to speak, more like an aero variation. I do think that it is better as it is, and not for the whole lap, otherwise everyone will be using it, so you might as well not bother. It will promote more overtaking, and that's what everyone wants, isn't it?
My only downer on it is that it reminds me a bit like the handicaps you used to have in computer games, that gave the person behind an advantage. Still, as it only works at a certain point, and at a certain time differential, I think it works. It could be refined a little, especially seeing as faulty wings could be an issue, or what if the system doesn't activate? Seems a bit unfair if it is out of their control in that manner. Saying that, who provides the technology for it? The FIA, or is it inhouse to spec?
The reason DRS needed to be introduced was a modern F1 car is so dependent on aerodynamics that they found it impossible to follow another car through a corner. DRS hands back some of the advantage to a faster car behind.
For the last few years it has been almost impossible, withouth being very brave, to pass a slower car even if the following car is capable of going a couple of seconds a lap quicker.
Maybe tweak when and how they can use it, but certainly it should be kept (in the race) as being only available to a car close behind another.
On the tyres: the Bridgestone tyres were a joke, they were almost indestructable. The Pirelli's have introduced more variables for the teams and drivers to deal with, which can't be a bad thing. At the moment the teams are mostly playing safe so tending to more stops to avoid the 'cliff' that apparently happens ... but sooner or later they are going to push things more
For the last few years it has been almost impossible, withouth being very brave, to pass a slower car even if the following car is capable of going a couple of seconds a lap quicker.
Maybe tweak when and how they can use it, but certainly it should be kept (in the race) as being only available to a car close behind another.
On the tyres: the Bridgestone tyres were a joke, they were almost indestructable. The Pirelli's have introduced more variables for the teams and drivers to deal with, which can't be a bad thing. At the moment the teams are mostly playing safe so tending to more stops to avoid the 'cliff' that apparently happens ... but sooner or later they are going to push things more
Tyres, well i suppose its the same for everyone do fair enough, DRS with the cars being so dependenton aero, and there being such a penalty for running in the dirty air behind a car I can see something to redress the balance is maybe fair..
What I'd like to see is the removal of the time limit per lap for kers... if kers was available when ever you had charge that would allow the better kers systems to work more giving the technologiests something to strive for and mean managing the kers regeneration and use was more of a skill for the driver.
What I'd like to see is the removal of the time limit per lap for kers... if kers was available when ever you had charge that would allow the better kers systems to work more giving the technologiests something to strive for and mean managing the kers regeneration and use was more of a skill for the driver.
llewop said:
The reason DRS needed to be introduced was a modern F1 car is so dependent on aerodynamics that they found it impossible to follow another car through a corner. DRS hands back some of the advantage to a faster car behind.
if that were the case, how come it affects no other formula (GP2 for example)llewop said:
For the last few years it has been almost impossible, withouth being very brave, to pass a slower car even if the following car is capable of going a couple of seconds a lap quicker.
Maybe tweak when and how they can use it, but certainly it should be kept (in the race) as being only available to a car close behind another.
if we must have it, please take the stupid artificial restrictions off it's useMaybe tweak when and how they can use it, but certainly it should be kept (in the race) as being only available to a car close behind another.
llewop said:
On the tyres: the Bridgestone tyres were a joke, they were almost indestructable. The Pirelli's have introduced more variables for the teams and drivers to deal with, which can't be a bad thing. At the moment the teams are mostly playing safe so tending to more stops to avoid the 'cliff' that apparently happens ... but sooner or later they are going to push things more
they (Bridgestone) were only like that when Michelin dropped out, with a tyre war, this just can't happen.Artificially making fall-apart tyres is just laughable, I am sure it can;t help Pirellis rep much good either if you think about it.
The reason there are restrictions on the use of DRS is because if the car in front can use it it negates the advantage of the overtaking car. The amount of stops needed today did make it a little difficult to follow and, I feel, would make the casual viewer think it's a bit silly to have such fragile tyres.
I can see what F1 is trying to do but thinner tyres, less aero and manual gearboxes would be much simpler to implement and appear fairer to the viewer IMO.
I can see what F1 is trying to do but thinner tyres, less aero and manual gearboxes would be much simpler to implement and appear fairer to the viewer IMO.
i preferred the way the DRS was working in melbourne, where it was just helping the car behind stay close enough to constantly have a go at an overtake... and when everything was spot on allow a pass.
here it was a bit too 'push to pass'
I think that the DRS should be considered a device to help negate the disadvantage of running in the dirty air of the car in front, rather than a device to enable overtaking.
here it was a bit too 'push to pass'
I think that the DRS should be considered a device to help negate the disadvantage of running in the dirty air of the car in front, rather than a device to enable overtaking.
DRS as a concept is fine; a good idea in my opinion. Therefore I voted 'for' it with the rather poorly worded 'No' vote.
However, in spite of the arguments against properly freeing it up for use anywhere on the track, that is what I believe should be done. One of the biggest turn-offs people report to me is the lack of simplicity with new rules, particularly when they become so contrived. As things stand at present, with DRS limiting a driver to a particular place on a circuit, this constitutes little more than a 'power-up pad' borrowed from a video game; and as such is fully deserving of the 'gimmick' label.
The very idea of restricting the powers and decisions of the drivers is anathema to me.
We should be aiming at allowing its use by any driver (within one second of the car ahead), anywhere on the track. And if this produces too much overtaking, simply reduce the size of the wing's slot!
However, in spite of the arguments against properly freeing it up for use anywhere on the track, that is what I believe should be done. One of the biggest turn-offs people report to me is the lack of simplicity with new rules, particularly when they become so contrived. As things stand at present, with DRS limiting a driver to a particular place on a circuit, this constitutes little more than a 'power-up pad' borrowed from a video game; and as such is fully deserving of the 'gimmick' label.
The very idea of restricting the powers and decisions of the drivers is anathema to me.
We should be aiming at allowing its use by any driver (within one second of the car ahead), anywhere on the track. And if this produces too much overtaking, simply reduce the size of the wing's slot!
The tyres are a complete joke.
They've made F1 an endurance race. it's all about protecting your tyres.
Just look at the difference in lap times between quali and the race.
You can't push with them. The drivers got out at the end today looking like they've been out for a Sunday drive with the family .
The degradation is off the scale and the amount of debris / marbles that is left on the track effectively makes it a one line track by half distance.
I think the DRS is badly implemented for the race (either it's allowed 100% or it's not at all).
woof said:
The tyres are a complete joke.
They've made F1 an endurance race. it's all about protecting your tyres.
Just look at the difference in lap times between quali and the race.
You can't push with them. The drivers got out at the end today looking like they've been out for a Sunday drive with the family .
The degradation is off the scale and the amount of debris / marbles that is left on the track effectively makes it a one line track by half distance.
I think the DRS is badly implemented for the race (either it's allowed 100% or it's not at all).
I thought F1 WAS an endurance race... It's certainly not a sprint.They've made F1 an endurance race. it's all about protecting your tyres.
Just look at the difference in lap times between quali and the race.
You can't push with them. The drivers got out at the end today looking like they've been out for a Sunday drive with the family .
The degradation is off the scale and the amount of debris / marbles that is left on the track effectively makes it a one line track by half distance.
I think the DRS is badly implemented for the race (either it's allowed 100% or it's not at all).
I think the tyres are great. It gives people different options in terms of strategy. Drive the balls off it and have a lot of stops. Or take it easier, hope to hold up the competition enough. Fantastic to watch with people all doing their own thing, and having to change strategy on the fly. Much more interesting than the Bridgestone "everlast".
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