Scenic road must sees in Europe ???????????
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Hi Guys & Gals
Looking for some recommendations fro all you european road travellers.
We are looking to take a 21 day tour of europe next year in a convertible
We would like to get in as many countrys as possible in our alloted time and see some fantastic sights.
Since we have never toured in europe it's over to you Guys & Gals for your idea's.
Phoenix Viper
Looking for some recommendations fro all you european road travellers.
We are looking to take a 21 day tour of europe next year in a convertible
We would like to get in as many countrys as possible in our alloted time and see some fantastic sights.
Since we have never toured in europe it's over to you Guys & Gals for your idea's.
Phoenix Viper
recomend the Evian > Martigny > Grnd St Bernard Pass > Locarno > Simplon Pass > Evian route in my write up :
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=117346&f=45&h=0
Cyrus
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=117346&f=45&h=0
Cyrus
Just got back from 2 weeks down in the Alps...
2 excellent routes:
Reims to Dijon on the back roads - Reims, Epernay, Troyes, Dijon - drop me a mail if you want the exact route, it all came out of the Performance Car of the Year issue of Evo last year. Simply beautiful and no police out the towns, so you can have fun at three figure speeds on sweeping curves (which in my old 911 raises the pulse a bit)
Geneva up to Gex, then over the mountains to St Claude, then across lakes and up to Dijon nearly following the route of the autoroute (you cross over it a couple of times nearer Dijon) - again give me a mail and I'll find out the exact route from the map for you. The bit through the mountains is fantastic - not too much traffic, and if you have a little more power than my car, is easily despatched. One of the best drives of my life...
2 excellent routes:
Reims to Dijon on the back roads - Reims, Epernay, Troyes, Dijon - drop me a mail if you want the exact route, it all came out of the Performance Car of the Year issue of Evo last year. Simply beautiful and no police out the towns, so you can have fun at three figure speeds on sweeping curves (which in my old 911 raises the pulse a bit)
Geneva up to Gex, then over the mountains to St Claude, then across lakes and up to Dijon nearly following the route of the autoroute (you cross over it a couple of times nearer Dijon) - again give me a mail and I'll find out the exact route from the map for you. The bit through the mountains is fantastic - not too much traffic, and if you have a little more power than my car, is easily despatched. One of the best drives of my life...
We did a Europe Trip a couple of years ago - some good routes from the Nurbergring to Prague, over to Leinz, then down into Tuscany. Stayed SW of Florence - fantastic old converted hunting lodge, and fabulous roads around the area. Then to Monte Carlo (you can't not go!!), and back via the Alps - St Gethard (sp?) Pass - amazing views - it snowed as we went over the top!
Still have hotel details etc if you'd like any!
Still have hotel details etc if you'd like any!
Following on from Cyrus1971's route; you could drive some of the classic Col's. The Col de Turini & Col de Tende spring to mind.
Some of the unguarded drops are so high, if you go over the edge, there'd be time to put your seat belt on before you got to the bottom!
Some of the unguarded drops are so high, if you go over the edge, there'd be time to put your seat belt on before you got to the bottom!
AdvocatusDiaboli said:Makes hardly any difference at all, Generally there is less traffic than in England, so possibly even less bother than LHD in this country.
Does the fact that all yuor cars are RHD make a diff? Is it ok to drive in LHD territory?
Interested...
Lots of people have asked me the route for the drive I posted last year, and I've finally got a yellow michelin map and a computer in front of me at the same time... So here goes...
Going south to Geneva - can be done in a day if you are on an early crossing (i.e 7am) through the tunnel, without having to drive like an idiot all the way, and having time to stop for lunch. Leave it much later and you'll be trying to keep up the pace rather than do it when you want to, which removes some of the fun. THe roads are amazingly quite on a Sunday, bit busier in the week, but they are classic french driving roads with lovely scenery. use it every time and its fantastic - no police, easy to remember once you have done it the first time, and very little used.
Take the motorway to Reims to break the back of the journey, then come off the motorway in the centre of Reims (junction 24) and take the N51 south out of town to Epernay (p43 of atlas).
Through Epernay, getting onto the RD 951 south again towards Sezanne. Through Sezanne and then head out of town on the D 373 to Anglure and then onto Troyes (p43-63)
Take the ring road around Troyes (unless you want to stop for lunch or to use the Lacoste outlet stores), and leave the town heading towards Chantillon sur Seine (p64) on the N71.
Through the town and stay on the N71 going south towards St Seine L'Abbaye (p81 and then P82). Absolutely cracking section this with lovely hills into and out of St Seine - worth doing a couple of times if you have time).
Then keep going along N71 until you get to Val-Suzon. Here I like to take a detour off the Evo route to avoid traffic in Dijon, so turn off onto the little D7 in the village towards Messigny et Vantoux. Join the D903 here and carry on to Dijon where you meet the ring road.
Take the ring road around the Northern and Eastern sides of Dijon and then get onto the A39 autoroute heading out towards Dole, Bourg-en-Bresse and Geneva. Take the Autoroute for a view junctions just to cover some distance, and then come off at Junction 6 for Dole (p97).
Do a right then left to get onto the N5 heading south to Parcey, then after the village make sure you keep right and get onto the D475 heading to Lons Le Saunier. There is a great place for lunch in one of these villages on the right near a junction in the centre - outside terrace by the road, cheap good food and fairly fast service, but I forget the name of the village I'm afraid.
COming into Lons-L-S on the N83, you want to get onto the D52 to Orgelet. In Orgelet, come out of town on the D470 heading to Villards and then to St-Claude (p111)
COme out of St CLaude heading up the Gorges du Flumen which gets a bit crowded, but if you are lucky and have a clear run is fantastic fun (coming the other way really tested the brakes on my old 69 911 which was locking wheels on the entry to corners). Keep on the D436 heading up the mountain to Lajoux and then Col De la Faucille.
COme down the mountain again into Gex, and then you are pretty much on the outskirts of Geneva.
As I said, I use every time I have a day to drive from our place in Morzine to the UK. Bloody brilliant and makes you remember why you bother to have a sports car...
Enjoy!!
Going south to Geneva - can be done in a day if you are on an early crossing (i.e 7am) through the tunnel, without having to drive like an idiot all the way, and having time to stop for lunch. Leave it much later and you'll be trying to keep up the pace rather than do it when you want to, which removes some of the fun. THe roads are amazingly quite on a Sunday, bit busier in the week, but they are classic french driving roads with lovely scenery. use it every time and its fantastic - no police, easy to remember once you have done it the first time, and very little used.
Take the motorway to Reims to break the back of the journey, then come off the motorway in the centre of Reims (junction 24) and take the N51 south out of town to Epernay (p43 of atlas).
Through Epernay, getting onto the RD 951 south again towards Sezanne. Through Sezanne and then head out of town on the D 373 to Anglure and then onto Troyes (p43-63)
Take the ring road around Troyes (unless you want to stop for lunch or to use the Lacoste outlet stores), and leave the town heading towards Chantillon sur Seine (p64) on the N71.
Through the town and stay on the N71 going south towards St Seine L'Abbaye (p81 and then P82). Absolutely cracking section this with lovely hills into and out of St Seine - worth doing a couple of times if you have time).
Then keep going along N71 until you get to Val-Suzon. Here I like to take a detour off the Evo route to avoid traffic in Dijon, so turn off onto the little D7 in the village towards Messigny et Vantoux. Join the D903 here and carry on to Dijon where you meet the ring road.
Take the ring road around the Northern and Eastern sides of Dijon and then get onto the A39 autoroute heading out towards Dole, Bourg-en-Bresse and Geneva. Take the Autoroute for a view junctions just to cover some distance, and then come off at Junction 6 for Dole (p97).
Do a right then left to get onto the N5 heading south to Parcey, then after the village make sure you keep right and get onto the D475 heading to Lons Le Saunier. There is a great place for lunch in one of these villages on the right near a junction in the centre - outside terrace by the road, cheap good food and fairly fast service, but I forget the name of the village I'm afraid.
COming into Lons-L-S on the N83, you want to get onto the D52 to Orgelet. In Orgelet, come out of town on the D470 heading to Villards and then to St-Claude (p111)
COme out of St CLaude heading up the Gorges du Flumen which gets a bit crowded, but if you are lucky and have a clear run is fantastic fun (coming the other way really tested the brakes on my old 69 911 which was locking wheels on the entry to corners). Keep on the D436 heading up the mountain to Lajoux and then Col De la Faucille.
COme down the mountain again into Gex, and then you are pretty much on the outskirts of Geneva.
As I said, I use every time I have a day to drive from our place in Morzine to the UK. Bloody brilliant and makes you remember why you bother to have a sports car...
Enjoy!!
puggit said:
Amalfi coast (South of Naples, Italy) - not one for the faint hearted 
Not many straights (if any) - just corner after corner, and all on a cliff face high above the sea.
No no no... Don't do it in your P&J
If you have to do it, hire a Hyundai Atoz
You will be stuck behind a tour bus for the duration anyway.
Better still take the tour bus and sit back and admire the view, and have a laugh at the driving.
The mountain road between Naples and Ravello is a different matter.
Superb, wide, twisty and stunning views.
Then park up your P&J and hire that Atoz...
puggit said:
Amalfi coast (South of Naples, Italy) - not one for the faint
hearted
You're not kidding. I did it once on the village bus, and I
needed three beers immediately afterwards just to calm down.
As for Euro roads, I find www.alpineroads.com the best.
I've done most of the top twenty highest in Austria
and some of the Italian ones as well.
Only the Stelvio I have as a "never again".
TWFox said:
Any reason why Stelvio is 'never again'?
A local council lorry doing some road repairs half way up,
meaning I had to do a three point turn in the road.
Doing 40 mph downhill and getting overtaken by *cyclists*.
Lousy road surface on the west side.
I'd do the Umbrail next time, if I was in the area.
TWFox said:
I plan to include it in a trip from the 'Ring down through to
Monaco via Milan...
This would be ok if you've done dozens of Alpine passes already.
If you haven't done many passes before, the Stelvio isn't the
place to start.
dcb said:
TWFox said:
I plan to include it in a trip from the 'Ring down through to
Monaco via Milan...
This would be ok if you've done dozens of Alpine passes already.
If you haven't done many passes before, the Stelvio isn't the
place to start.
Oh dear. I have zero experience of driving in Europe, let alone of Alpine passes. The Stelvio looks awesome and was a must-see on the route. Would you *really* recommend its avoided? Is there an alternative?
Lots of Stelvio advice here:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=282014&f=45&h=0
I'd say do it, but I know that others disagree
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=282014&f=45&h=0
I'd say do it, but I know that others disagree
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