No Lights On Motorway

No Lights On Motorway

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MakaveliX

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565 posts

31 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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I rarely drive when dark but the other day did a journey to Birmingham at about 430am ( M6 then the M42 )

I thought at that time it would be nice and quiet but I was evidently wrong, it was very busy -- not only that but hammering it down with rain.

One thing I noticed on the M6 is the lack of lighting. Did some googling and found statistically more accidents have occurred since removing the lights.
What's more important, the budget or peoples lives ?! Surely they should light up the motorways, not be removing them


LunarOne

5,405 posts

139 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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I frequently drive on the M40 at night, returning to Surrey from Banbury. I like the fact that it's unlit until you get towards London, where the bright lighting actually makes me squint and I have to put my sun visor down to block out the extraneous light.

Ashtray83

573 posts

170 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Cars have lights. Drive to the conditions

Nomme de Plum

4,743 posts

18 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Ashtray83 said:
Cars have lights. Drive to the conditions
+1

Other than street lights for personal pedestrian safety and reassurance motorway and other road lights should not be necessary. They are an unnecessary waste of energy and create light pollution.

Being rather aged i tend to drive more cautiously at night and leaned a technique from my ex RAF pilot Dad many decades ago. Never stare and keep eye movement.


cb31

1,144 posts

138 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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I think it is a disgrace, they moan about tired drivers but driving in the full dark is much more tiring than with lighting. It's all about money as usual.

GolfDragon

163 posts

69 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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It's a weird one as you can't expect the whole motorway network to be lit up because that would cost billions but I understand the safety argument.

I'm pretty sure the places that are lit tend to be around the busier stretches of motorway and where two motorways may merge. Although there are quite a lot of areas that are lit and you probably wouldn't justify it if the road was new and being built today.

M6/M42 is quite a busy stretch so not sure as to why that section isn't lit whereas the M5 from junction 8 to the M42 is lit and there aren't any complicated junctions on that stretch.

Fast_Eddie85

27 posts

99 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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If you can't drive on dark motorways then please just stick to driving during the day. They don't need to be lit.

FMOB

1,130 posts

14 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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I'm thinking 1st world problem, as for motorways being unexpectedly busy, it would be more surprising if they weren't busy.

There is no reason for everything to be lit up, vehicles have headlights which can be used unless the OP is feeling charitable and wants to pay the electricity bill himself.

Sounds like an eyesight test might be beneficial.

Nomme de Plum

4,743 posts

18 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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cb31 said:
I think it is a disgrace, they moan about tired drivers but driving in the full dark is much more tiring than with lighting. It's all about money as usual.
I f a person is tired. DO NOT DRIVE!

Tommo87

4,262 posts

115 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Fast_Eddie85 said:
If you can't drive on dark motorways then please just stick to driving during the day. They don't need to be lit.
The same goes with people incapable on driving on a dark country road.

Vasco

16,540 posts

107 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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MakaveliX said:
I rarely drive when dark but the other day did a journey to Birmingham at about 430am ( M6 then the M42 )

I thought at that time it would be nice and quiet but I was evidently wrong, it was very busy -- not only that but hammering it down with rain.

One thing I noticed on the M6 is the lack of lighting. Did some googling and found statistically more accidents have occurred since removing the lights.
What's more important, the budget or peoples lives ?! Surely they should light up the motorways, not be removing them
4.30am on the M6 is usually quite busy. It just gets even busier later on.
Personally, I'd rather drive without motorway lighting as you see only red lights in, effectively, a one-way street and you don't have to bother with oncoming headlights.

Got4wheels

439 posts

28 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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I find cat's eyes and my headlights to be enough. I was driving home from Sheffield last night and on the M180 my biggest problem was that brief stretches of L1 didn't have them. Personally, street lighting on motorways is a bit pointless away from major junctions. With the strength of LED headlights these days (I wish my car had them) and using your mirrors to see whats going on, it's enough to focus the mind.

Michael

FiF

44,411 posts

253 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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A few points. Motorways were originally unlit and sections with street lighting were introduced due to collision stats and sometimes local common weather conditions.

Secondly in my early advanced training I asked how to deal with the issue of visibility at night vs speed, bearing in mind lights were not as good then. The advice given, which has stood me in good stead, is that if it's a normal drive then find another who is travelling at the same sort of pace you intend, establish a following position well back and use them as a pathfinder. It works.

Finally something mentioned on the smart motorway threads. Considering point 1 above it was more than disappointing to learn that in one of the design iterations for smart motorways National Highways or one of the previous versions stated quite clearly that to reduce the cost of upgrading the removal of systems of lighting should be considered. That suggests it's about the money, stuff safety. Though all that is really for different thread.

NRG1976

1,155 posts

12 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Cats eyes good. Motorway lighting not good.

menousername

2,113 posts

144 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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I agree re. lack of visibility but its the poor road surface, poor drainage and the lack of reflection of the lines and markings

The roads really do need refreshing quite badly




captain.scarlet

1,824 posts

36 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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cb31 said:
I think it is a disgrace, they moan about tired drivers but driving in the full dark is much more tiring than with lighting. It's all about money as usual.
Surely if someone driving at night needs the streetlights on and is reliant upon the streetlights to keep themselves awake then they shouldn't be at the wheel, especially on a motorway at night.

If the body needs to shut down then it will, even with streetlights on or bright sunshine.

Welcome.

7,156 posts

38 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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I don’t think there are any motorways that are lit, unless at junctions?

Certainly been the case for the last 40 years around these parts.

In fact, a major A road locally isn’t lit either and never has been.

Bainbridge

162 posts

39 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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When driving on the autobahn at night in Germany earlier this year, I was in heavy rain and many drivers were doing 120mph+.

There were no cats eyes or street lights.

I stayed out of their way in the slow lane at 60mph.

zarjaz1991

3,570 posts

125 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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Aarrrgh you said slow lane.

Off to get the popcorn.

MakaveliX

Original Poster:

565 posts

31 months

Thursday 28th September 2023
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It is more an observation than anything. In my opinion, and this is backed up by stats and figures, the motorways would be much safer with better visibility

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/8920827/motorways-...