specs means tickets

specs means tickets

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Gixersimon

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22 posts

259 months

Thursday 23rd October 2003
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uh oooh - I just had this emailed to me, seeing as I drive this road alot , I wait in anticipation for the letters - even thought about doing a sweepstake on how many tickets will turn up and when (sort of a fundraising thing). I'm just glad I haven't been down this road on my bike for a bit - prisioned would have beckoned methinks. On the M4 stretch you can see the cameras on the new huge roadsigns - which are a real blot on the landscape.
FYI................

Subject: Fw: road safety - M4 J14 -J12 Speed Camera s - Warning!

Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:47:26 +0100

Subject: road safety - M4 J14 -J12 Speed Camera s - Warning!

For info...

The SPECS - speed enforcement system is now live on the M4 between Junction

12 - Theale, and J14 Hungerford, just east of Membury Service station.

It was switched on officially, by a transport minister, for a '6-month trial

period' on Tues 7 October 2003.

It is likely to be set at 78mph real road speed! No human intervention is

required in issuing speeding tickets, so very large numbers can be issued

automatically.

The cameras are mounted on the overhead information signs, (pairs of tiny

cameras). They DO NOT FLASH, so you won't know you are likely to 'cop' a

ticket at the time.

Info from the internet follows.

SPECS -speed enforcement system

The digital speed camera developed by Speed Check Services Ltd (SPECS)

obtained Home Office type approval in 2000. The camera is a major

technological development over previous speed cameras and has proved

successful in improving road safety and reducing casualties. SPECS cameras

work in pairs and calculate the average speed of a car over a length that

can be between 250m and 10km. top

What is SPECS?

It is the only approved automatic digital speed enforcement using average

speed measurement in the UK. The system is deterrent based with the ultimate

deterrent being enforcement.

Is there any similar technology currently in operation?

No. SPECS is a unique product.

Although conventional automatic speed enforcement systems are in operation,

none currently can enforce speeds over a distance - except SPECS.

How does it work?

SPECS works using automatic average speed digital technology. A pair of

cameras creates a speed controlled zone and groups of cameras can be

linked to create a speed controlled network. As vehicles pass between the

cameras pairs they are digitally recorded. The time it takes for the vehicle

to travel between both points is used to calculate the average speed.

If the vehicle speed is above a speed threshold, a speeding violation record

is automatically generated. This includes images of the registration plate,

a colour image of the vehicle and text data including the time, date,

location and average speed travelling between both locations.

Violation records are stored on large storage capacity discs. This system

functions 24 hours a day and can be interfaced with existing ticket

processing systems.

How will motorists know what to look out for?

Motorists will need to look out for cameras erected on tall blue-coloured

distinctive columns in the verge and central reservation. The cameras do not

flash and all the data is digitally stored so that there is no need for

film. Speed Camera Signs will be erected explaining to motorists that speed

enforcement will be taking place.

What is SPECS and SVDD?

SPECS is the brand name for the system. This stands for SPEed Check

enforcement System.

SVDD stands for Speed Violation Detection Deterrent. It is the name given to

the unique technology the SPECS system is based upon which has gained Home

Office Type Approval (HOTA).

What is Home Office Type Approval (HOTA) testing and why is it significant?

Home Office Approval testing is in place to ensure that equipment meets the

highest standards and any information provided from HOTA approved equipment

can be considered as providing admissible evidence in UK courts.

ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) approved of the system and

supported its application for Home Office Type Approval. Two Police Forces,

Kent and Leicestershire, championed the trials testing on the M1 and M20

Roadworks.

The PSDB (Police Scientific and Development Branch of the Home Office)

undertook scientific evaluation as a necessary part of the HOTA process.

This evaluation included test track trials at an independent test site. The

evaluation was successful and verified the SVDD technology used in SPECS as

100% accurate.

HOTA is significant because it empowers UK Police Forces to use the SPECS

technology to bring charges against speeding offenders, confident in the

knowledge that they can present irrefutable supporting evidence.

In addition, UK Home Office Type Approved products are regarded

internationally as meeting external high standards of quality and integrity.

THE INFO BELOW IS HISTORIC AND IS NOT GUARANTEED UP TO DATE, OR CURRENT.

Where is the system in operation?

Permanent SPECS systems are now operating in Nottingham, Northampton and

Gloucester:

A616 Stocksbridge Bypass in South Yorkshire

Nottingham Phase 1 - A610 & Ring Road

Nottingham Phase 2 - Extension of Nuttall Rd A610

Nottingham Phase 3 - Extension of Western Boulevard South, Ring Rd

Nottingham Phase 4 - Extension of Western Boulevard North, Ring Rd

A43 Lumbertubs Way, Northampton

Linden & Podsmead, Gloucester - Residential area

Temporary roadworks throughout the country currently using the SPECS system

include.

M62 J7 -9 Roadworks, Warrington

M6 Thelwall Viaduct, Cheshire

M62 J7 - 9 Roadworks, Cheshire

M6 J6 Spagetti Junction Roadworks, Birmingham

More sites to follow in the next few months.

Is the data legally enforceable?

The HOTA enables the SPECS violation records to be presented as admissible

evidence in UK courts.

Apart from its use as a speeding deterrent, are there any other benefits?

Yes. There are many other longer term benefits which will be possible once

the SPECS systems are installed including increasing road safety and

decreasing speed profiles, more accurate journey time information and other

performance data and speed management benefits.

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raceboy

13,399 posts

293 months

Thursday 23rd October 2003
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Gixersimon said:
I'm just glad I haven't been down this road on my bike for a bit - prisioned would have beckoned methinks.

Could be wrong, but, the ones in Nottingham are forward facing so unless you have a plate on the front of your bike you can pop it up on the back wheel and hoon through them at whatever speed you like

Gixersimon

Original Poster:

22 posts

259 months

Thursday 23rd October 2003
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the M4 ones are more sneaky most face forward but I'm sure I saw some facing the other way as well (and because of where they have been place its difficult to spot them until you have passed them, work friend said there was one on one of the bridges to although I haven't seen it myself - too busy wathing the speedo !!

Steve_T

6,356 posts

285 months

Thursday 23rd October 2003
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Be sure this is not another urban myth that you're propogating. I've lost count of the number of SPECS rumours I've seen on PH.

Steve.

Nacnud

2,190 posts

282 months

Thursday 23rd October 2003
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Thread 44 again?

verysideways

10,255 posts

285 months

Thursday 23rd October 2003
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This is a myth i'm afraid. It's a traffic monitoring system, not a speed detection system.

Check this link from BBC news if you want to confirm.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/3173744.stm

HTH

VS

19560

12,956 posts

271 months

Thursday 23rd October 2003
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The bbc link is to something completely different. Specs takes your average speed over a set distance usually about a mile so if you see the first camera you at least have a chance to slow down and avoid a ticket. It might be something that actually adds to safety for once? Hidden cameras facing away from you defeats the safety object though.

plotloss

67,280 posts

283 months

Thursday 23rd October 2003
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AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

simpo two

88,603 posts

278 months

Thursday 23rd October 2003
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19560 said:
Specs takes your average speed over a set distance usually about a mile so if you see the first camera you at least have a chance to slow down and avoid a ticket. It might be something that actually adds to safety for once?


Whoops - you're making the assumption that slow = safe. Personally I'd be too busy worrying about cameras to plot traffic movement around me. Just another distraction IYAM.

(IYAM - if you ask me)

Boosted LS1

21,198 posts

273 months

Thursday 23rd October 2003
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If you enter a specs area a bit quick then tailgate until you pass the next cameraand drop your speed. I've often been doing an indicated 45-48 on the Nottingham ring road and not got a ticket yet. Same with the truvelo's on the highfields boulevard. My guess is they are set at 50.

V8 Archie

4,703 posts

261 months

Friday 24th October 2003
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BBC said:
Mr Howells, a regular user of the M4, said the signs could have stopped him speeding.

The minister, who admitted previously being stopped twice for breaking the limit, said: "On both occasions it was when there were roadworks going on and you get into a mindset doing 70 mph and suddenly it's a 50 mph limit..."


Translation:
Mr Howells said, "I'm a numpty and therefore pay no attention to road conditions.".

raceboy

13,399 posts

293 months

Friday 24th October 2003
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Boosted LS1 said:
I've often been doing an indicated 45-48 on the Nottingham ring road and not got a ticket yet. Same with the truvelo's on the highfields boulevard. My guess is they are set at 50.

Aren't some bits of the ring road a 50 limit anyway

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

261 months

Friday 24th October 2003
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Past the Showcase Cinema.

plfrench

3,407 posts

281 months

Friday 24th October 2003
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Past the Showcase it's 70, the specs don't start till further clcokwise and then it's 40...

Paul.

m12_nathan

5,138 posts

272 months

Friday 24th October 2003
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Myth. There is no specs system on the M4.

www.thamesvalley.police.uk

simond001

4,519 posts

290 months

Sunday 11th January 2004
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Found this, I think there is a national website somewhere

www.sussexsafetycameras.gov.uk/sites.htm

jessica

6,321 posts

265 months

Sunday 11th January 2004
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Specs on M60 now too..
Not that I advocate speeding,but I am intelligent enough to work out what speed is safe. Mr NANNY state you be wiping my backside for me next

Non -conformist can't you tell........

>> Edited by jessica on Sunday 11th January 18:53

cortinaman

3,230 posts

266 months

Saturday 17th January 2004
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jessica said:
Mr NANNY state you be wiping my backside for me next



make sure he does it well otherwise you'll be itching like mad!!