Eurotrip - Route help.
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Hi all,
Right, a few of us are going around europe this summer August/Sept.
We have set out a rough guidline of our route which as follows;
Now, does anybody have any tips or tricks they wish to share? What way is the best for the san bernardino pass? south bound or north? as we'll be going south.
Thank you for reading this and hope you can help!
Thanks, Tim.
Right, a few of us are going around europe this summer August/Sept.
We have set out a rough guidline of our route which as follows;- Day 1 - Arrive Calais around 9:30am to Nuits-Saint-Georges - 370miles. We plan to spend the afternoon chilling at our hotel here ( http://www.lagentilhommiere.fr ).
- Day 2 - Leave Nuits-Saint-Georges 8am To Chur, Switzerland - 315miles. Planning to stay around the Chur/Davos area in a cheap ibis etc - See route here. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&a...
- Day 3 The big day - Chur To the Italian Lake of Maggiore Via Davos, Stelvio pass and San bernardino pass - 305miles. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&a...
- Day 4 - Wake up in Verbania or surround area To Le Lavandou late evening Via Monaco, Col de Turini - 400 miles. The reason we are heading down to Le Lavandou is my friend has a Villa were we can chill for the remanding week. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&a...
- Day 5 - 8 Chill the f
k out at Le Lavandou by the pool with bbq's and beers before the the long drive up through france to return home the following day.
Now, does anybody have any tips or tricks they wish to share? What way is the best for the san bernardino pass? south bound or north? as we'll be going south.
Thank you for reading this and hope you can help!
Thanks, Tim.
Tim
I do the Alps every year by bike
You are going to the right locations but doing a fly thru missing the best bits
Here is a google map of the passes, some have video attached helps with planning
http://goo.gl/maps/ABk2
Why go via france peage when you can go Belgium/Lux/German same distance and save £50 in tolls plus get an unlimited autobahn to play for approx 10 miles and run down the B500 Black Forest on the 2nd day instead of more grind
Day 2 night stay here its brill http://www.berggasthaus-beverin.com/en/offer/offer...
If you do the Stelvio, go to Bormio, then Gavia pass and the passo di mortirolo and back on your route
You miss the 4 passes at Andermatt Fukka, Gothard,Susten, this is the heart of the Alps and would be a scream in your cars because they are wider for cars
I do the Alps every year by bike
You are going to the right locations but doing a fly thru missing the best bits
Here is a google map of the passes, some have video attached helps with planning
http://goo.gl/maps/ABk2
Why go via france peage when you can go Belgium/Lux/German same distance and save £50 in tolls plus get an unlimited autobahn to play for approx 10 miles and run down the B500 Black Forest on the 2nd day instead of more grind
Day 2 night stay here its brill http://www.berggasthaus-beverin.com/en/offer/offer...
If you do the Stelvio, go to Bormio, then Gavia pass and the passo di mortirolo and back on your route
You miss the 4 passes at Andermatt Fukka, Gothard,Susten, this is the heart of the Alps and would be a scream in your cars because they are wider for cars
Hi thanks, we are doing the French route due to a friend of mine knowing the owners at the hotel of the first place. Basically a free stay.
The route from there to Chur, do go through andermatt/susten. How much time do you give for these roads? as like you said, ours is a rushed route round trying to squeeze in as many good passes as possible.
The route from there to Chur, do go through andermatt/susten. How much time do you give for these roads? as like you said, ours is a rushed route round trying to squeeze in as many good passes as possible.
TJW said:
Hi thanks, we are doing the French route due to a friend of mine knowing the owners at the hotel of the first place. Basically a free stay.
The route from there to Chur, do go through andermatt/susten. How much time do you give for these roads? as like you said, ours is a rushed route round trying to squeeze in as many good passes as possible.
If you are trying to enter Andermatt via your route you will queue at the tunnel for a long time. Go via Grimsel and Fukka pass ( southern half of Andermatt Loop)The route from there to Chur, do go through andermatt/susten. How much time do you give for these roads? as like you said, ours is a rushed route round trying to squeeze in as many good passes as possible.
You turn right at Innertkirchen on the Route 6 (ps right passed the Reichenbach Falls ie Sherlock Holmes/Moriarty Death Fall)
PS 300 miles in the mountains is a very long day !!!!
Don't miss the Andermatt circuit as suggested, you have to do them as I rate the Furka, Grimsel and Sustenpass as 3 of the very best. Reckon on 2hrs without stopping more than a couple of times . . .
Be prepared to be properly knackered doing 300+ miles day after day. Turini is fantastic, but very bumpy and you'll not keep up a very good average speed on these roads so it takes much longer to do 300 miles than normal driving once you factor in stops etc.
Take the route G Man suggested for Stelvio, it's best done from SW to NE ezpecially in right hand drive cars. I've done Stelvio both ways and getting a Cerberra up the other way is a PIA as you can't see what's coming down at you through the hairpins.
Be prepared to be properly knackered doing 300+ miles day after day. Turini is fantastic, but very bumpy and you'll not keep up a very good average speed on these roads so it takes much longer to do 300 miles than normal driving once you factor in stops etc.
Take the route G Man suggested for Stelvio, it's best done from SW to NE ezpecially in right hand drive cars. I've done Stelvio both ways and getting a Cerberra up the other way is a PIA as you can't see what's coming down at you through the hairpins.
Johno said:
Don't miss the Andermatt circuit as suggested, you have to do them as I rate the Furka, Grimsel and Sustenpass as 3 of the very best. Reckon on 2hrs without stopping more than a couple of times . . .
Be prepared to be properly knackered doing 300+ miles day after day. Turini is fantastic, but very bumpy and you'll not keep up a very good average speed on these roads so it takes much longer to do 300 miles than normal driving once you factor in stops etc.
Take the route G Man suggested for Stelvio, it's best done from SW to NE ezpecially in right hand drive cars. I've done Stelvio both ways and getting a Cerberra up the other way is a PIA as you can't see what's coming down at you through the hairpins.
Great advise there, and I agree those 3 roads are amazing with the Sustenpass being the best IMO Be prepared to be properly knackered doing 300+ miles day after day. Turini is fantastic, but very bumpy and you'll not keep up a very good average speed on these roads so it takes much longer to do 300 miles than normal driving once you factor in stops etc.
Take the route G Man suggested for Stelvio, it's best done from SW to NE ezpecially in right hand drive cars. I've done Stelvio both ways and getting a Cerberra up the other way is a PIA as you can't see what's coming down at you through the hairpins.
Allyc85 said:
Johno said:
Don't miss the Andermatt circuit as suggested, you have to do them as I rate the Furka, Grimsel and Sustenpass as 3 of the very best. Reckon on 2hrs without stopping more than a couple of times . . .
Be prepared to be properly knackered doing 300+ miles day after day. Turini is fantastic, but very bumpy and you'll not keep up a very good average speed on these roads so it takes much longer to do 300 miles than normal driving once you factor in stops etc.
Take the route G Man suggested for Stelvio, it's best done from SW to NE ezpecially in right hand drive cars. I've done Stelvio both ways and getting a Cerberra up the other way is a PIA as you can't see what's coming down at you through the hairpins.
Great advise there, and I agree those 3 roads are amazing with the Sustenpass being the best IMO Be prepared to be properly knackered doing 300+ miles day after day. Turini is fantastic, but very bumpy and you'll not keep up a very good average speed on these roads so it takes much longer to do 300 miles than normal driving once you factor in stops etc.
Take the route G Man suggested for Stelvio, it's best done from SW to NE ezpecially in right hand drive cars. I've done Stelvio both ways and getting a Cerberra up the other way is a PIA as you can't see what's coming down at you through the hairpins.
Edited by G Man on Thursday 24th February 08:09
Right, thanks for the great advice so far!
Im a bit confused with the andermatt tunnel, is this a better route? http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&a...
With the Stelvio.. On the map it probably wasnt clear, but this is the direction of our route, is this the correct way? i.e going down the stelvio and not up.
As for the 300miles per day.. Im sure we'll survive! The only person who will be in discomfort will be the MX5 driver who is 6ft4 and pretty crampt!
Im a bit confused with the andermatt tunnel, is this a better route? http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&a...
With the Stelvio.. On the map it probably wasnt clear, but this is the direction of our route, is this the correct way? i.e going down the stelvio and not up.
As for the 300miles per day.. Im sure we'll survive! The only person who will be in discomfort will be the MX5 driver who is 6ft4 and pretty crampt!
- Is it worth keeping the stelvio on our trip? We're going bank holiday weekend end of August. Will it be too busy to be even worth it? I've watched a few videos and it looks silly busy at some points.. How about this route - http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&a...
TJW said:
Im a bit confused with the andermatt tunnel, is this a better route?
Yes !!The Stelvio on the weekend can be a nightmare, make sure you arrive before 10am or after 4pm, else the campervans blowing up their clutches, the buses full of tourist will upset you.
You can do the Gavia instead and use the Passo di Mortirolo to get back on track ( this is the pass the cyclist died pursuing Pantani up to the top )
Edited by G Man on Thursday 24th February 10:13
G Man said:
PS You are doing the Stelvio the wrong way, best way is to decent into Bormio, then do the Gavia and Pass del Mortirolo and back onto your course
G Man sorry to be a pain, but I'm a bit lost with your plan, anychance of doing it on googlemaps for me so I can see the route you mean? The way I'm doing it, it then seems like we'll cut out the san bernardino pass? 
TJW said:
Looks perfect! Whats the temps likely to be around the august bankholiday week. Nice and hot lets hope!
Unless there is a storm 25-30 deg in valleys, 10-18 deg at the top of the highest passes, nice and cool ... Last tip get up early and have breakfast post Stelvio (top of/or in Bormio)
So excited! G Man said:
PS You are doing the Stelvio the wrong way, best way is to decent into Bormio, then do the Gavia and Pass del Mortirolo and back onto your course
I might agree on a bike, but not my experience in cars as the ascent from Bormio is more open and flowing and the descent through the tighter hairpins on the NE side is much easier when descending than ascending ... SW to NE has always produced the better runs the few times i've done it.Here's last years
Stelvio
.... and Gman's
Gman Stelvio
Here's some of the Andermatt circuit, also from last year.
Andermatt circuit
There's more around but I need time to edit it down . . .
Edited by Johno on Friday 25th February 19:27
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