Ford Focus ST170, in for a penny...
Ford Focus ST170, in for a penny...
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resolve10

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1,171 posts

61 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Since I first obtained my driving licence in 2005, I've wanted to own a Focus ST170. Needless to say I couldn't afford to buy or insure one at that time, nor could I quite stretch to a standard Focus, so my first year of motoring was in a Mk4 Fiesta 1.25. After a year I managed to get into a 1.6 Focus, which was a limited edition 'Elle' model with heated leather seats and some fancier wheels. For an 18 year old it was a great car and I loved it, though the lacklusture drivetrain couldn't do the excellent chassis justice.

I then had a job with a 100 mile round trip commute for 8 years, so that ruled out an ST170 (or any performance car) on economy grounds. I ran an E90 BMW 325d for most of that time which was a fantastic car for the job, but even though it had hydraulic power steering it didn't steer as well as a mk1 Focus and in the back of my mind I still wanted to own another one, though the youngest examples were approaching their 10th birthday by this point.

I'd pretty much given up on the idea of running one as a daily. Even though I now work much closer to home, I use my car for work so need something I can rely on. The mk1 Focus is generally reliable and simple to work on, but my mechanical ability is limited to very basic spannering so I couldn't live with a daily driver that was in and out of the garage every five minutes. I forgot about them altogether until I had the idea of running one as a second car late last year, and started looking at them again.

Needless to say the quality of cars for sale varies greatly with the earliest examples now coming up to 20 years old. I was also surprised how few were for sale at any one time, typically 10 or so on Auto Trader at any one time nationally. Clearly I couldn't be too picky, and I didn't have the energy or expertise to spend time travelling and inspecting various cars, I just decided I'd buy the first unmodified car I could find with an MOT and a reaosnable asking price.

Fortunately for me, a car fitting that description came up for sale in January just 15 miles from me, and was a Moondust Silver 3-door like my old 1.6. 107,000 miles, totally standard and looked straight and honest, just a bit of rust on the offside sill and rear arch. I bought it for £1,200 and nervously drove it home, wondering if I'd just got myself into a bottomless pit of garage bills.

The first couple of weeks were great. I found myself leaving my Megane Trophy at home most days in favour of the ST170. I managed to put 600 miles on it in a month or so, and started to get a feel for what issues it may have. I'm a bit of a perfectionist with steering and I could tell it wasn't steering quite as sweetly as it should be, a quite loose sensation which I suspected could be the steering rack. The performance was a pleasant surprise though, particularly the throttle response after only owning turbo cars. The ST170 suffers from the same overly-long gearing as the regular Focus though, so acceleration is not as brisk as it could be.

Long term I intend to use it in summer, garage it in winter. I want the bodywork tidying up and the rust taking care of, which will need new metal cutting in, but the car isn't valuable enough to warrant a full underbody restoration so I'll just tackle any inevitable rust as and when it comes up. Hopefully limiting the car to dry use will help with this. It feels great to finally own my 'attainable' dream car!

That's a bit of an essay for an introduction so I'll leave it there for today, but I've done a bit of work on the car since picking it up in January and had some work done by a garage, which I'll put in a follow up post. I've also kept a track of all costs so far which I may come to regret, but now I've committed to keeping it there isn't really any going back, hence the thread title!

Couple of photos:




Edited by resolve10 on Thursday 14th April 15:46

Birr97

131 posts

120 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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I had a Focus MK1 as my first car and absolutely loved it. Bought it for £440 and at around 147,000 miles.
1.6 Ebony, changed the wheels from the special edition to standard Focus multispoke wheels though as they were horrible.

I haven't driven a massive amount of cars but I've not been in one that balanced ride quality and handling so well. Plus the steering felt perfect, brilliant steering feel and feedback.

I'd have another in a heartbeat if I had the space, always wanted an ST170 but couldn't find one in good enough condition so went for other options.
Yours looks a good example so hopefully it treats you well!

Here's my old one next to a MK7 Fiesta, very similarly sized.

M1C

2,006 posts

127 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Birr97 said:
I had a Focus MK1 as my first car and absolutely loved it. Bought it for £440 and at around 147,000 miles.
1.6 Ebony, changed the wheels from the special edition to standard Focus multispoke wheels though as they were horrible.

I haven't driven a massive amount of cars but I've not been in one that balanced ride quality and handling so well. Plus the steering felt perfect, brilliant steering feel and feedback.

I'd have another in a heartbeat if I had the space, always wanted an ST170 but couldn't find one in good enough condition so went for other options.
Yours looks a good example so hopefully it treats you well!

Here's my old one next to a MK7 Fiesta, very similarly sized.
Agreed. One of the sweetest balanced cars i remember out of all that i've driven was a 1999 Focus 1.6 Ghia which was a pool car at a place i used to work at. It was just so 'right' to drive in so many ways. The only thing i didn't like was the pretent plastic wood on the dash. I later had a 1.8 tddi Focus mk1 which was great but didn't quite have the 'rightness' of the 1.6.

I drove1.8 and 2.0 petrol versions of the mk1 Focus too but i'd still chose the 1.6. (admittedly i haven't driven the ST170)

Glosphil

4,668 posts

250 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Back in 2006 I test drove 3 cars - Focus ST170, Seat Leon (1.8T 180) & Honda Civic Type-S 2-litre 160hp. All 3 dealers let me take the car away for 2 hours.
I liked them all but bought the Honda as being a more practical car for my needs. Owned it for 7 years & it was the most reliable car I have ever owned - cost just over £300 in repairs during the 7 years.
I remember the ST170 as being a better drive & the Leon as the fastest.

MC Bodge

25,021 posts

191 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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resolve10 said:
The ST170 suffers from the same overly-long gearing as the regular Focus though, so acceleration is not as brisk as it could be.
Would a 5 speed gearbox from a normal Focus 2.0 be a good swap? 5th was quite high from memory, but possibly lower than the ST170.

I had a Mk1 Mondeo 2.0 with a close-ratio box, it did 4000rpm at 80mph (which sounds really short geared nowadays. It red-lined at maximum speed.). If you fitted a good one of those, it would make quite a difference.

Edited by MC Bodge on Thursday 14th April 17:19

S100HP

13,343 posts

183 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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Without wishing to come across as rude, what is special about this focus?

s m

23,917 posts

219 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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resolve10 said:
Since I first obtained my driving licence in 2005, I've wanted to own a Focus ST170. Needless to say I couldn't afford to buy or insure one at that time, nor could I quite stretch to a standard Focus, so my first year of motoring was in a Mk4 Fiesta 1.25. After a year I managed to get into a 1.6 Focus, which was a limited edition 'Elle' model with heated leather seats and some fancier wheels. For an 18 year old it was a great car and I loved it, though the lacklusture drivetrain couldn't do the excellent chassis justice.

I then had a job with a 100 mile round trip commute for 8 years, so that ruled out an ST170 (or any performance car) on economy grounds. I ran an E90 BMW 325d for most of that time which was a fantastic car for the job, but even though it had hydraulic power steering it didn't steer as well as a mk1 Focus and in the back of my mind I still wanted to own another one, though the youngest examples were approaching their 10th birthday by this point.

I'd pretty much given up on the idea of running one as a daily. Even though I now work much closer to home, I use my car for work so need something I can rely on. The mk1 Focus is generally reliable and simple to work on, but my mechanical ability is limited to very basic spannering so I couldn't live with a daily driver that was in and out of the garage every five minutes. I forgot about them altogether until I had the idea of running one as a second car late last year, and started looking at them again.

Needless to say the quality of cars for sale varies greatly with the earliest examples now coming up to 20 years old. I was also surprised how few were for sale at any one time, typically 10 or so on Auto Trader at any one time nationally. Clearly I couldn't be too picky, and I didn't have the energy or expertise to spend time travelling and inspecting various cars, I just decided I'd buy the first unmodified car I could find with an MOT and a reaosnable asking price.

Fortunately for me, a car fitting that description came up for sale in January just 15 miles from me, and was a Moondust Silver 3-door like my old 1.6. 107,000 miles, totally standard and looked straight and honest, just a bit of rust on the offside sill and rear arch. I bought it for £1,200 and nervously drove it home, wondering if I'd just got myself into a bottomless pit of garage bills.

The first couple of weeks were great. I found myself leaving my Megane Trophy at home most days in favour of the ST170. I managed to put 600 miles on it in a month or so, and started to get a feel for what issues it may have. I'm a bit of a perfectionist with steering and I could tell it wasn't steering quite as sweetly as it should be, a quite loose sensation which I suspected could be the steering rack. The performance was a pleasant surprise though, particularly the throttle response after only owning turbo cars. The ST170 suffers from the same overly-long gearing as the regular Focus though, so acceleration is not as brisk as it could be.

Long term I intend to use it in summer, garage it in winter. I want the bodywork tidying up and the rust taking care of, which will need new metal cutting in, but the car isn't valuable enough to warrant a full underbody restoration so I'll just tackle any inevitable rust as and when it comes up. Hopefully limiting the car to dry use will help with this. It feels great to finally own my 'attainable' dream car!

That's a bit of an essay for an introduction so I'll leave it there for today, but I've done a bit of work on the car since picking it up in January and had some work done by a garage, which I'll put in a follow up post. I've also kept a track of all costs so far which I may come to regret, but now I've committed to keeping it there isn't really any going back, hence the thread title!

Couple of photos:




Edited by resolve10 on Thursday 14th April 15:46
Nice opener on your car. They do feel a bit sluggish with the long 2nd but in real terms there’s little difference up to a ton and all out against the similar power and weight 306 GTI-6 if you have a 3-dr ST
The handling is really nice on these

Thursday 14th April 2022
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S100HP said:
Without wishing to come across as rude, what is special about this focus?
A sorted Mk1 focus handles very very very sweetly

resolve10

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61 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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DOT2015

46 posts

122 months

Thursday 14th April 2022
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As others have said the Mk1 Foucs is such a nice handling car, just feels right. Myself and a friend have an ST170 track day car, the long geared six speed is the main weakness, other than that it didn’t embarrass itself at all. We’ve gone a bit mad with it now, started with the above mentioned 5 speed box conversion with a LSD, now it has six pots and floor mounted pedal box and we’re finishing off a turbo conversion using ST/RS/2.0 parts. So much for the cheap track day car!

Anyway, sounds like you have a genuine passion for it Resolve, enjoy it!

resolve10

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1,171 posts

61 months

Friday 15th April 2022
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First job I tackled was the sorry looking front end, which was missing a towing eye cover and washer jet cover. The headlights had also turned into a cloudy, yellow mess after years of UV exposure.

Despite what I said about Focus parts being plentiful and Moondust Silver being one of the most common colours, replacing the towing eye was a bit of an faff. Royal Mail lost the first one I bought off Ebay, and a couple of other sellers couldn't confirm if they were Machine Silver or Moondust Silver. I eventually got one off a guy in the ST170 Facebook group for a tenner.

The headlight washer jet I bought direct from Ford - bit pricey at £25 but it was a complete mechanism so at least that's another component replacled. The old one was quite brittle when I took it out.

The headlights were fun way to spend an afternoon. I used wet and dry sandpaper until the yellow had gone and the residue was clear, and then used the finest grade paper I had to refine the finish before polishing with an orbital polisher to remove the hazing. To prevent them fading again now the factory UV protection has been sanded away, I used Gtechniq G2 coating. The results took years off the car!

The headlight performance is still pretty crap, so I think I'll have to take them apart at some point and replace the projectors.


Waynester

6,471 posts

266 months

Friday 15th April 2022
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A sorted ST170 would still be a great drive even today, and rare on the road.. My first Focus was a Mk1 Focus Black (special Ed). I then had 2 Mk2 Focus STs and a Mk2 Focus RS.. Enjoyed them all.

Edited by Waynester on Friday 15th April 15:38

Cambs_Stuart

3,309 posts

100 months

Monday 18th April 2022
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I replaced my 2.0 zetec with a ST170. Despite it's appetite for inlet runner manifold control units (and other sensors) it was a fantastic car to drive. The suspension and steering was just superb for b road. People complain about the gearbox, but i didn't find it that bad...


LanceRS

2,190 posts

153 months

Monday 18th April 2022
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I got to spend a day belting around Dunsfold in these when they were new. They were brilliant fun.
My only issue with them was the aforementioned gearbox. The change was not the best and 6 of them was a novelty. As others have noted, the ratios were a bit odd.
A friend bought one new, at a motorway cruise in 6th, the car was only doing about 500 rpm less that the Escort that it replaced.
Anyway, enough of my reminiscing, enjoy this one OP.

M.F.D

867 posts

117 months

Tuesday 19th April 2022
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Surely these will start commanding some sort of value soon. I know it isn't Cosworth or RS but still an old fast ford?

RobXjcoupe

3,352 posts

107 months

Tuesday 19th April 2022
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I’m still driving around in a mk1 Focus. Getting on a bit but it’s still a pleasant drive. Parts are cheap also. Mine is an estate in machine silver. Regular 1.8 petrol engine, ghia version with a few extras. The rear suspension has all been replaced, fitted a set of lowering springs but sits a bit too low at the front. Front bumper is the collection but without the indicator holes. Hid headlamps, bbs split rims and dark red leather interior. Doesn’t look very shouty, just right I think smile

resolve10

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1,171 posts

61 months

Tuesday 19th April 2022
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M.F.D said:
Surely these will start commanding some sort of value soon. I know it isn't Cosworth or RS but still an old fast ford?
I haven't bought it as an investment as such, but that same thought has crossed my mind. I'll just be happy if the value rises in line with the cost of the work I have done on it, as it will make it easier to justify.

Which brings me onto the latest update quite nicely...

Last month I took the car to a recommended local garage who specalise in restorations and race car setup. We got the car up on a ramp to see what sort of condition it was in - essentially it was decision time as the outcome of the inspection would dictate whether i was going to run the car into the ground until the MOT ran out, or start a soft restoration and keep it on the road for the forseeable future.

It was good news on the whole, no major strucural rust and just a few bits that needed attention. A leaking shock absorber and corroded spring on the offside front, and the steering rack was making an odd noise (I suspected this wasn't in the best health from feel alone).

I had all four shocks and springs replaced at the same time, along with the steering rack. Unfortunately, once the front subframe was dropped it was found to be rotten on the top side, and the suspension arms were siezed into the rear subframe and had to be drilled out, so it ended up being more work than anticipated. Looking on the positive side, the car now drives superbly and those parts would probably have needed replacing at some point down the line anyway.

The garage also ground the surface rust off the rear subframe and painted it up, so it looks a lot healthier underneath now. I'm looking forward to enjoying the car over summer before having the rear arches and sills repaired over winter. Not going to be a cheap job, but the car will then be as close to perfect as it can be for a 20 year old, 107k mile car without spending tens of thousands on a full restoration.


aaron_2000

5,407 posts

99 months

Tuesday 19th April 2022
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My dad had an ST170 in 2003, I then tracked down and bought the same car back as my 1st car in 2017 and I've owned it ever since. The handle and steer so sharp and so direct, the damping is appalling though. Gearing never really bothered me, but the tendency to get pulled on the road by gradient changes and poor surfaces put me off taking it for fast drives. Mine is currently sat on the drive indefinitely waiting for a full on restoration, I'd never even consider selling it. They need good tyres to be enjoyable to drive quick, cheap tyres ruin the car. In 5 years mine needed the clutch/fly done for £750 and a £250 alternator job, it's been faultless other than that (although I do next to no miles in it).

resolve10

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1,171 posts

61 months

Tuesday 19th April 2022
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aaron_2000 said:
My dad had an ST170 in 2003, I then tracked down and bought the same car back as my 1st car in 2017 and I've owned it ever since. The handle and steer so sharp and so direct, the damping is appalling though. Gearing never really bothered me, but the tendency to get pulled on the road by gradient changes and poor surfaces put me off taking it for fast drives. Mine is currently sat on the drive indefinitely waiting for a full on restoration, I'd never even consider selling it. They need good tyres to be enjoyable to drive quick, cheap tyres ruin the car. In 5 years mine needed the clutch/fly done for £750 and a £250 alternator job, it's been faultless other than that (although I do next to no miles in it).
Really nice that you managed to track down your dad's old car! Unfortunately my dad has no interest in cars whatsoever, though I would say he is responsible for my Ford aliegence as he always had Escorts and a mk1 Focus (just a modest 1.6 LX).

Your post is really interesting as my car drives immeasurably better after the suspension work, but the steering still isn't quite as pin sharp as I remember my old 1.6 being. I put this down to the loss of rigidity in the car over time, but could it be the tyres do you think? They all have good tread but the previous owner just did the bare minimum to keep it on the road, so they are all cheap unknown brand jobbies. What differences did you notice between the car on good tyres and cheap tyres?

I'm going to get the wheels refurbished at some point in summer, so I might get four Michelins at the same time and get the refurb company to put them on. Saves me a seperate trip to a tyre fitter.

M.F.D

867 posts

117 months

Tuesday 19th April 2022
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resolve10 said:
I haven't bought it as an investment as such, but that same thought has crossed my mind. I'll just be happy if the value rises in line with the cost of the work I have done on it, as it will make it easier to justify.

Which brings me onto the latest update quite nicely...

Last month I took the car to a recommended local garage who specalise in restorations and race car setup. We got the car up on a ramp to see what sort of condition it was in - essentially it was decision time as the outcome of the inspection would dictate whether i was going to run the car into the ground until the MOT ran out, or start a soft restoration and keep it on the road for the forseeable future.

It was good news on the whole, no major strucural rust and just a few bits that needed attention. A leaking shock absorber and corroded spring on the offside front, and the steering rack was making an odd noise (I suspected this wasn't in the best health from feel alone).

I had all four shocks and springs replaced at the same time, along with the steering rack. Unfortunately, once the front subframe was dropped it was found to be rotten on the top side, and the suspension arms were siezed into the rear subframe and had to be drilled out, so it ended up being more work than anticipated. Looking on the positive side, the car now drives superbly and those parts would probably have needed replacing at some point down the line anyway.

The garage also ground the surface rust off the rear subframe and painted it up, so it looks a lot healthier underneath now. I'm looking forward to enjoying the car over summer before having the rear arches and sills repaired over winter. Not going to be a cheap job, but the car will then be as close to perfect as it can be for a 20 year old, 107k mile car without spending tens of thousands on a full restoration.

Nice work, something satisfying about bringing an old weathered car back to life.